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    Outside storage of tires

    How do you address the issue. The code stated 50' from buildings and lot lines. I am dealing with new and used tire shops that have outside storage issues. I am trying not to cause them too many problems so what are the options.

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    Apply 315.3. 2003 IFC for smaller piles


    I think you would only apply chapter 25 for large piles

    Unfortunately IFC does not seem to define between one tire and many, many tires

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    Not just a fire code issue--
    Historically outside storage of tires has ended up as a large tire dump pile that breeds mosquitos and presents the hazard of an enviromentally damaging difficult to extinguish fire with much air pollution and damaging runoof. A 1983 fire in VA burned for 9 months and took 17 years to clean up as a superfund site. VA has a $1 per new tire tax for tire pile cleanup.
    http://www.deq.state.va.us/wastetires/progsummary3.html
    EPA site
    http://www.epa.gov/epawaste/conserve...ires/index.htm
    Most states and localities have put tight limits on outside storage if not a blanket prohibition on outside tire storage.
    For example Ohio regulations
    http://codes.ohio.gov/oac/3745-27-60

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    Seems like there could at least be as big a pile against the wall outside the building or near a lot line as there could be inside a building per IFC 2509.1.

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    You might also check with code enforcement, if you have one, to see if they have any outside storage ordinance that may apply

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    I guess this won't be the place to say that when they used shredded tires for underlayment on a road in Wash St that it started to smolder. Never did find out happe the upshot was when it came time to fix it.

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    Hat fred did they get a ticket for "exhibition of speed" or in the younger days "burning rubber"

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    Quote Originally Posted by cda View Post
    Hat fred did they get a ticket for "exhibition of speed" or in the younger days "burning rubber"
    No, but it was funny driving on that section of road. There were little smoke plumes along the edges of either side of the road for about an 1/8 of a mile. Of course this was way back in the late 80's so maybe there are better ways to lay the stuff now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cda View Post
    You might also check with code enforcement, if you have one, to see if they have any outside storage ordinance that may apply
    I assume you mean zoning? Zoning allows for the outside storage as long as it's shielded from view from the public way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cda View Post
    Apply 315.3. 2003 IFC for smaller piles


    I think you would only apply chapter 25 for large piles

    Unfortunately IFC does not seem to define between one tire and many, many tires
    There is 15000 BTU's of heat energy per pound of tire rubber which is higher than coal. Two straddle carrier tires stacked weight about 1000lbs that 15 million BTU's of heat energy. Still want that 10 feet from your building?

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    2505.4 Distance from lot lines and buildings. Tire storage piles shall be located at least 50 feet (15 240 mm) from lot lines and buildings.
    Please pray for Daddy-O (Wilson) and his family!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM William Burns View Post
    2505.4 Distance from lot lines and buildings. Tire storage piles shall be located at least 50 feet (15 240 mm) from lot lines and buildings.
    Exactly....

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    Quote Originally Posted by AegisFPE View Post
    Seems like there could at least be as big a pile against the wall outside the building or near a lot line as there could be inside a building per IFC 2509.1.
    I am sure 2505.4 was implemented because the outside storage of tires is unprotected and if ignited accidentally or intentionally would pose a serious threat to building and surrounding structures closer than 50" away. Not to mention the environmental impacts.

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    So if you have only one tire in the pile it has to be fifty feet away building or lot line??


    If you have two tires in the pile it has to be fifty feet away building or lot line??

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    What about Section 304.1.1 in the IFC?
    304.1.1 Waste material.

    "Accumulations of wastepaper, wood, hay, straw, weeds, litter or
    combustible or flammable waste or rubbish of any type shall
    not be
    permitted to remain on roof or in any court, yard, vacant
    lot, alley, parking lot, open space, or beneath a grandstand, bleacher,
    pier, wharf, manufactured home, recreational vehicle or other similar
    structure."


    An accumulation could be [ technically ], ..."two tires".

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    Quote Originally Posted by NFRMarshal
    I am sure 2505.4 was implemented because the outside storage of tires is unprotected and if ignited accidentally or intentionally would pose a serious threat to building and surrounding structures closer than 50" away. Not to mention the environmental impacts.
    The only fire protection requirement that appears to be prescribed by Chapter 25 is portable extinguishers (2508); no apparent requirement that tires stored indoors per 2509 be protected differently appears to be given.

    That said, not much greater protection of adjacent properties or the environment would be present if a 2509 pile were ignited inside an unprotected building, except perhaps exterior building walls may limit radiation to exposures to some degree. Therefore, if an exception to IBC 705.8.1 were not applicable for unlimited unprotected openings in an imaginary wall around the pile, construction of exterior wall around the pile as prescribed by IBC 705 may be appropriate in order to offer a similar degree of protection to that of an "indoor pile."

    However, where IBC Tables 601 and 602 do not require any fire endurance rating for an exterior wall, the perceived benefit of an exterior wall during a fire event is theoretically zero. As such, it would seem that no wall around the storage could provide nearly an equivalent level of protection to a wall that was destroyed in the first minute of a fire event. Incidentally, for Type IIB or VB construction, this distance could be as little as 10 feet, similar to IFC 315.3.

    Whether walls or no walls, it may be reasonable to include the exterior tire storage area(s) managed as indoor storage as part of the building area as regulated by the IBC.

    Quote Originally Posted by north star
    What about Section 304.1.1 in the IFC? 304.1.1 Waste material.
    Where the tires are not waste, IFC 102.10 would seem to direct us to specific provisions of Chapter 25 and not apply generic "waste materials" criteria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AegisFPE View Post
    The only fire protection requirement that appears to be prescribed by Chapter 25 is portable extinguishers (2508); no apparent requirement that tires stored indoors per 2509 be protected differently appears to be given.

    That said, not much greater protection of adjacent properties or the environment would be present if a 2509 pile were ignited inside an unprotected building, except perhaps exterior building walls may limit radiation to exposures to some degree. Therefore, if an exception to IBC 705.8.1 were not applicable for unlimited unprotected openings in an imaginary wall around the pile, construction of exterior wall around the pile as prescribed by IBC 705 may be appropriate in order to offer a similar degree of protection to that of an "indoor pile."

    However, where IBC Tables 601 and 602 do not require any fire endurance rating for an exterior wall, the perceived benefit of an exterior wall during a fire event is theoretically zero. As such, it would seem that no wall around the storage could provide nearly an equivalent level of protection to a wall that was destroyed in the first minute of a fire event. Incidentally, for Type IIB or VB construction, this distance could be as little as 10 feet, similar to IFC 315.3.

    Whether walls or no walls, it may be reasonable to include the exterior tire storage area(s) managed as indoor storage as part of the building area as regulated by the IBC.


    Where the tires are not waste, IFC 102.10 would seem to direct us to specific provisions of Chapter 25 and not apply generic "waste materials" criteria.
    So what's your take on 2505.4? Does this code apply only to massive piles of tires in a junk or waste yard type setting. The facility I am dealing with has a fairly large amount of various types of new heavy industrial type tire stored outside the structure well within the 50' limit to their building and adjacent businesses. Their building is a thin skinned butler warehouse building.

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    Section 2501.1 [ in the `06 IFC ] does not discriminate between "new" or
    "waste" type tires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AegisFPE View Post
    Whether walls or no walls, it may be reasonable to include the exterior tire storage area(s) managed as indoor storage as part of the building area as regulated by the IBC.
    That was what I was thinking - something along the lines of designated areas for storage clearly marked and limited in size. In terms of fire hazard, several small and separated storage areas might be better than one large area.

    The next level of protection would be to provide masonry walls to reduce radiant heat transfer should a fire occur, i.e. partial enclosure.

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