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Existing Rental Cabins

Discussion in 'Existing Buildings Codes' started by north star, Aug 16, 2018.

  1. north star

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    I have some project plans where there will be some Level 1
    [ from the 2015 IEBC ] work being performed on some rental
    cabins near a lake........FWIW, these cabins are located on a
    federal military installation.

    One of the existing cabins is designated as ADA equipped.
    At this one cabin, it is being proposed to remove the existing,
    wooden guard-railing, vertical pickets and horizontal top railing
    and replace with horizontal metal strands [ complying with the
    applicable structural loads ].

    QUESTION # 1: How should the rental cabins be identified

    [ i.e. - R-1, R-2, R-3, etc. ] ?

    QUESTION # 2: Because part of the hand-railing is being replaced,

    does this now qualify as new construction and subject to the
    requirements of the applicable `15 IBC, ...the `17 A117.1 &
    the `10 ADASAD [ i.e. - the requirement for hand-railing ] ?

    Thanks for your input !


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  2. RLGA

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    Group R-3. New work shall comply with the current code (IEBC Section 702.6).

    The 2017 ANSI is not referenced by the 2015 IBC--only the 2009.
     
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    % = % = %

    Much Thanks Ron ! ;)

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  4. Paul Sweet

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    Also check with the base commander to see if the service amends the codes to use UFAS or ADAAG instead of ANSI A117.1.
     
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    Much Thanks Paul ! ;) FWIW, ...the Base Commander will
    not have a clue in this instance.......Our office will be the AHJ,
    and thus, we will be interpreting the "required" Codes &
    Standards that are applicable.

    As I understand it, the applicable Codes & Standards are the
    `15 Edition of the I-Codes, ...the `10 ADASAD [ for new construction ]
    and, as Mr. Ron has pointed out, ...the `09 A117.1.......No UFAS
    or ABA.


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    If it's on military property (i.e. DoD property), then why wouldn't the ABA be applicable?
     
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    The military installation in question is not a true DoD facility.
    It is a military training facility in the Southeastern U.S.,
    on mostly State owned property.

    No one in authority has ever mentioned use of the ABA.

    So, if the ABA is applicable, that would be 4 Accessibility Standards
    to apply [ i.e. - `09 A117.1, ...the `10 ADASAD, ...[ possibly ] Ch. 11
    in the `15 IBC, and the ABA ] ?


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  9. RLGA

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    Possibly. Actually, IBC Chapter 11 provides the scoping requirements for ANSI A117.1, much like the second chapters provide for each the ADA and ABA standards; thus, really only three standards.

    If it's leased property, but DoD-built buildings, then I would think the ABA standards would still apply and not the ADA standards. However, the two are so comparable, that complying with one should not be that difficult to comply with the other.

    There is a combined document (2004 ADA-ABA Standards) published by the Access Board (https://www.access-board.gov/guidelines-and-standards/buildings-and-sites/about-the-ada-standards/background/ada-aba-accessibility-guidelines-2004) that has both standards. It provides separate scoping chapters for each, but the technical requirements for both are the same. The DoJ, in their 2010 ADA Standards, just published the ADA portion.

    If the buildings are leased, then scoping requirements for the ABA has a section on leased property, which is limited compliance. If just the land is leased and the DoD built the structures, then I would say that the ABA standards are applicable.
     
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    The quandary here is you have a choice, stay with ABA or go with 2010 ADASAD for this and all future alterations.
     
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    DoD uses the 2015 version of ABA Standards (which oddly says it was adopted in 2008), available here:
    https://www.access-board.gov/attachments/article/1029/ABAstandards.pdf
    One change is that it does include provisions for outdoor developed areas which may be relevant.

    The way to trace this is to look at UFC 1-200-01 which is the DoD Building Code, available here:
    http://wbdg.org/FFC/DOD/UFC/ufc_1_200_01_2016_c1.pdf
    The UFC invokes the 2015 IBC and 2015 IEBC with modifications. One of the modifications is to not use Chapter 11 of IBC but instead use the ABA Standards.
     
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    Thank you for this specific point.
     
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    Also, a "Thank You" **Sleepy** for the clarification. ;)

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