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Discussion in 'Commercial Building Codes' started by JPohling, Apr 11, 2018.

  1. cda

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    Not sure agree


    Say you have a restaurant with a patio.

    Part of the exiting is through the patio

    I do not think you add the restaurant ol to the patio ol??

    Assumed patio people are gone or going when the restaurant people start leaving
     
  2. ADAguy

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    With a restaurant you "never" assume anything. The volume can alter from minute to minute.
    FD looks at worse condition not owners optimum. Consider holiday and sporting event crowds.
     
  3. cda

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    Yes but there is a design ol and exiting

    Can not control overcrowding, except to empty the place

    Set there and watch the pre paid fight till it is over.
     
  4. mtlogcabin

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    If the door leading to the patio dining area is signed as an exit and is a raised area or enclosed with a fence or guard as required here when serving alcohol outdoors then we use the cumulative load requirements and would require two exits off the patio dining area.
     
  5. cda

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    I am waiting for an exit plan for this thread
     
  6. JPohling

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    It is attached to my initial post???
     
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  7. ADAguy

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    Word pictures often miss the point, your plan says it all.
    That courtyard is a real gore (collection) point.
    Wish I had opened it earlier.
    If each room were to evacuate at the same time in a panic, ouch!
     
  8. JPohling

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    Fire Marshall has agreed that this plan is acceptable. Re name the area above the stair to Egress Court (no occupancy) and we are good.

    This is an area that is say 30'x30' that is immediately adjacent to a 10'-0" wide stair. Even if the total occupant load of the building were to exit at once to this spot they would all be able to make their way to grade within a minute.
     
  9. cda

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    Exit plan as will this thread ever end
     
  10. cda

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    Yea

    I do not have to use my parachute
     
  11. north star

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    @ * @

    Thanks for the update **JPohling** !.......In an effort to
    promote this Forum, would the Fire Marshall in your
    topic be interested in visiting here, ...possibly becoming
    a Sawhorse ?

    I'm trying to promote this MUCH VALUED resource. :D


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  12. Rick18071

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    This is a problem because the court is 30' wide than the stairway is only 10' wide. Doors have an exception but stairways don't:

    The 2nd paragraph of 2009 IBC 1027.5.1 Where an egress court exceeds the minimum required width and the width of such egress court is then reduced along the path of travel, the reduction in width shall be gradual.
     

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