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ICC Board? Right, Wrong, Needs Work, The Future?

Discussion in 'Talk to the ICC Board' started by jpranch, Apr 26, 2017.

  1. CodeWarrior

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    You are a victim of misinformation. Read here: http://www.icc-es.org/MFR_Inspections/index.shtml

    What I am trying to say is the inspector is not an ICC employee. They use subcontract to a third party.
     
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  2. Mark K

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    The reference documents are consistent with other documents from ICC-ES

    The point is not whether ICC-ES employees do the work or a third party.

    Where the referenced documents reference a third party it is clear that this third party is hired by the manufacturer not ICC-ES or IAS.

    The point is that ICC-ES's focus is on verifying the system documentation not on whether the product complies. While I believe that this is clear from the documentation this has been confirmed by an individual working with a manufacturer subject to this process. In addition discussion with a former ICC-ES employee confirmed that the focus is on the quality system.

    Form Q-24 states "The inspector should, to the extent possible, inspect the product..." This is optional. What is the nature of any inspection?

    The situation that I mentioned where an inspection of the facility with no product being processed was real.

    You may want to believe that ICC-ES guarantees everything is fine but the reality is more nuanced starting with the fact that ICC-ES does not guaranty the product.
     
  3. CodeWarrior

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    Guarantee the product? Why would anyone assume ICC does that?

    ICC, if informed that product has failed, can only ask the manufacturer to fix it. And hope the problem goes away. ICC can't issue a replacement, pull deficient products from the stores, or tell the builder to put in something that works. No, ICC can only remove the offending product out of the report. And you are still stuck with a bad product that ICC said meets the code. Meeting the code, that's all they say anyway, no guarantees offered, and no one should presume otherwise.
     
  4. DuaneW

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    Jpranch, I am sorry i have not read everything that was above. but a few things I have trouble with ICC are.
    1. If I would not have changed jobs I would not be able to afford membership with them.
    2. I dont live to far from you but we have NO ICC training within this state!!! I have to go to MN for training.
    3. The on line training can get really cost some money.
    4. It is also hard to find fire inspection training.
    5. It is hard to understand if getting CFM is better then doing the Fire inspector 1, 2 and fire plan reveiwer.
     
  5. jpranch

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    Duane, I'm sorry that I have not responded. I just now sat your post. The Building Safety Professional Member is only $170 a year. However, the Participating Member @ $50 a year might be the way to go if the budget is really tight. Here is the link to the fee schedule: https://www.iccsafe.org/membership/join-icc-dues-applications/
    I would very much like to know what training (if any) is available in North Dakota. Have you been going over to the big institute in MN? I hear that it is really great and I hope to make it there one day myself. Yes the online training can get a little costly especially if someone has to rely on it for CEU's and has a lot of certifications. For fire inspection training you might reach out to the Fire Service Membership Council to see if they might be able to help you on the short go. As far as the CFM and a persons desired career path I would say its up to the individual taking into consideration what their jurisdiction might value the most. I hope this helps. If you would like to contact me directly please email me at: jpranch@iccsafe.org or call the City of Gillette and ask for Jim Brown. Sorry but I do not want to put to much contact information on the net because of the bots.
     
  6. cda

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    What fire inspection training or type of training is required ??
     
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    Hey Tim! Sure didn't mean to leave you out. Our inspectors go every spring to the Colorado institute. Duane is in North Dakota according to his profile so I would think that MN might be closer??? Depends on where in the state he is. Duane, Wyoming Conference of Building Officials is having their annual conference in Casper on November 1st, 2nd, & 3rd. We will have classes on the 2018 code updates. You can get the details at our website as well. www.wcbo.us
     
  9. fatboy

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    Hey Jim, I just saw where he said he was close to you, assumed in WY. Yes, your annual conference is good affordable training also.

    Take care!
     
  10. DuaneW

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    jpranch, ..I was actually able to get my county to pay for my membership. As far as training
    in north Dakota, in the last year there has only been one training in Fargo. I was able to go
    to that one before I moved to the County from the city fire department. I have not heard
    of any other training within the state. That training was put on by the MN state fire marshal
    I have not been able to go to the big conference in MN yet. I hope I am allowed to next
    year. Even though I have an ICC cert, I am looking at going to a fire based training,
    since it cost so much for ICC credits and tests. I am closer to WY than MN. Where I
    live in ND however, I am only really allowed to go to training in states connected to the
    state. I will have to look and see if WY is allowed to go to. I was just checking, since in
    the the 2015 code you must be a certified inspector. I was hoping the ICC would be
    pushing more regional training.
     
  11. DuaneW

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    the only required training that ICC has is being able to pass the test.
     
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    Ok
    Thought he might need ce or training hours just to test

    I guess he is looking for on going training??


    There is always national fire academy

    Almost free
     
  13. DuaneW

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    Yes you do need to do the normal CEU every 2 or 3 years for each cert that you have for ICC. I forget how many hours you need for each one.
     
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