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Individual drains or Trench Drain

Discussion in 'Commercial Plumbing Codes' started by Mech, Aug 30, 2017.

  1. Mech

    Mech Sawhorse

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    S-1 Automotive Repair Garage

    The proposed repair garage has 6 floor drains, each spaced 16 feet apart. I connected 6 individual drains, without traps, to a common branch and showed one trap and vent on the common branch right before it exits the building. (The oil water separator is outside.) There are no other fixtures on this branch. The code official said that all floor drains need to be trapped and vented appropriately. Yes, that is correct per 1002.1 and none of the exceptions apply.

    Why can I not install these floor drains as originally designed and consider them a single 80 ft long trench drain with alternating solid and open grated covers?
     
  2. north star

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    Mech,

    I have looked & looked for "an out" for your application,
    but have not found anything, ...yet !

    Do you just "have to have" the 6 individual floor drains,
    or can you install one trench drain near the bldg. exit
    point, and make that work in your application ?

    Why the 6 individual Floor Drains spaced 16 ft. apart ?

    Thanks !


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  3. Mech

    Mech Sawhorse

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    North Star,

    Thanks for looking.

    The garage is 85 feet long, with the drains to catch dripping water and melting snow that falls off the cars.

    Another engineer in my office agreed with the original 6 inlet trench drain theory with one trap and vent. But to keep the reviewer happy and get the permit, I revised the design to provide a combination drain and vent system in accordance with Section 912.
     
  4. Francis Vineyard

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    IMO he's over thinking the term floor drain as connected to the building sanitary or sewer and neglecting the purpose of a trap; to prevent sewer gases releasing into the atmosphere.

    Additionally the 2015 clarified that oil separators are not required; though I'm aware some jurisdictions may specify that they be installed.

    As former mechanic we hated floor and trench drains having to retrieve dropped parts through the muck, clogging and stinking up the place.

    2015 Code: 1003.4 Oil Separators Required. At repair garages where floor or trench drains are provided, car washing facilities, at factories where oily and flammable liquid wastes are produced and in hydraulic elevator pits, oil separators shall be installed into which all oil-bearing, grease-bearing or flammable wastes shall be discharged before emptying into the building drainage system or other point of disposal.
    Exception: An oil separator is not required in hydraulic elevator pits where an approved alarm system is installed. Such alarm systems shall not terminate the operation of pumps utilized to maintain emergency operation of the elevator by firefighters.
    CHANGE SIGNIFICANCE: The main section language has been frequently misinterpreted as requiring repair garages to have floor or trench drains so that required oil separators could be connected to the drains. This section never intended to require floor or trench drains in repair garages. In fact, many repair garages do not have drains as some believe it is safer to use dry absorbent compounds to soak up spills rather than to have oily residues build up in drain systems. The 2015 IPC makes the requirement clear.
     
  5. north star

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    Mech,

    Can you revise what has already been installed
    [ meaning, to remove & re-plumb ] to utilize
    one (1x) trench drain only, or no floor drains at
    all ?.......Spills & liquids can be moved by
    squeegees, and captured with a variety of
    absorption methods and materials [ i.e. - Wet
    Vacs, poly-absorbent waddles, absorbent pig
    towels, pads, mats, etc. ]

    Mech,

    What you have are extensions of a Trench Drain,
    not a true Floor Drain with trap seals.

    You mentioned that the drains are to capture
    "dripping water and melting snow that falls off
    of the cars".......Will there actually be any vehicle
    repairs in this Garage, or is it more of for storage ?
    FWIW, ...the 2009 IPC doesn't leave much wiggle
    room for Exceptions.

    Francis, I agree that the AHJ is not seeing the
    intent of these floor drains, for the Letter of the
    Code getting in the way.


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  6. Mech

    Mech Sawhorse

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    north star,

    Nothing has been installed yet. The drawings are almost ready to be sent for review again. The contractor can let us know if they can install a trench drain cheaper than individual drains.

    The portion of the building with the drains is the actual repair areas where cars will be serviced.

    We can always revisit this and debate it with the code reviewer after we start construction.

    Thanks guys!!!!
     
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    It's quite necessary to learn more about this situation. I will be checking out this resource. I think that it's pretty vital for many people to browse this forum.
     

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