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New two story dorm: elevator needed?

Discussion in 'Accessibility' started by Tim Mailloux, Apr 16, 2018.

  1. Tim Mailloux

    Tim Mailloux Registered User

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    Working on a new 2 story dorm building on a private school campus. The new dorm is situated into a hill side and both the lower and upper level will have direct accessible exits on grade. Both levels are copies of one another with all the same amenities (dorm rooms, toilets, showers, common area), the only change from level to level will be what side of the building the entrance is on. I am of the opinion that in this situation an elevator is not required.
     
  2. Rick18071

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    We go by the 2009 IBC codes.

    1007.2.1 In buildings where a required accessible floor is 4 or more stories above or below a level of discharge, at least one re
     
  3. Rick18071

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    As long as the floors are the same and not just one of the floors have a laundry or other shared area.
     
  4. mtlogcabin

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    are you providing an accessible exterior route from the lower level to the upper?
     
  5. steveray

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    Look at these sections....

    1104.4 Multilevel buildings and facilities. At least one
    accessible route shall connect each accessible level, including
    mezzanines, in multilevel buildings and facilities.

    1104.5 Location. Accessible routes shall coincide with or be
    located in the same area as a general circulation path. Where
    the circulation path is interior, the accessible route shall also
    be interior.

    If there are stairs that connect them it gets stickier...
     
  6. Tim Mailloux

    Tim Mailloux Registered User

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    Each floor will exit on grade and have an accessible exterior route to a public way. But seeing how these are dorms and all the amenities on each floor are exactly the same, why does an resident on the second floor need access to the first floor or vise versa? Everything the residents need access to will be on the level they live on.
     
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    MT might have been thinking of the 1104.5 section that I posted...
     
  8. Tim Mailloux

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    there will be an interior communicating stair connecting the two levels, thats were 1104.5 comes into play and gets me.....
     
  9. mtlogcabin

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    So the handicap student residing on the upper level can visit/ study/ party with his/her friends in the lower level in there dorm
     
  10. Francis Vineyard

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    "The final revised guidelines also require accessible routes to be located in the interior of the facility, where general circulation paths are located in the interior of the facility. The revision affects a limited number of buildings. For example, under the current guidelines, a two-story building that is constructed into a hill, has an interior stairway connecting the stories, and is not exempt from providing an accessible route between the stories could provide entrances to each story of the building and connect the entrances with an exterior accessible route.[99] The final revised guidelines would require an elevator to be provided since there is an interior stairway. The revision is expected to have minimal impacts since the cost of providing an elevator would be about the same as constructing an exterior accessible route around the building."

    https://www.access-board.gov/guidelines-and-standards/buildings-and-sites/about-the-ada-standards/background/regulatory-assessment/chapter-6
     
  11. khsmith55

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    Food for thought........you say "private school" but my first question would be is there any local, state or federal monies involved (financing, grants, loans etc.)? ADA Title II or UFAS may be applicable and might require an elevator.
     
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  12. Builder Bob

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    generally, the same & equal opportunities need to be provided for all students..... if you can't do that, then you have a problem.
     
  13. Francis Vineyard

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    1107.4 Accessible route. At least one accessible route shall connect accessible building or facility entrances with the primary entrance of each Accessible unit, Type A unit and Type B unit within the building or facility and with those exterior and interior spaces and facilities that serve the units.
    Exceptions:
    3.
    In Group R-2 facilities with Type A units complying with Section 1107.6.2.2.1, an accessible route is not required to connect stories or mezzanines where Type A units, all common use areas serving Type A units and all public use areas are on an accessible route.

    4.
    In other than Group R-2 dormitory housing provided by places of education, in Group R-2 facilities with Accessible units complying with Section 1107.6.2.3.1, an accessible route is not required to connect stories or mezzanines where Accessible units, all common use areas serving Accessible units and all public use areas are on an accessible route.

    Exception 3 deals with large apartment buildings or complexes (i.e., more than dwelling units), or convents and monasteries where Type A units are required. If the common use and public use spaces associated with the Type A units are on an accessible level, Section 1107.4 would not require an elevator between stories. Section 1107.7.1 would possibly allow for no elevator in the building for the upper floors.

    Exception 4 is a similar idea to Exception 3, only dealing with Group R-2 larger congregate residences (i.e., more than 16 residents, per Section 310.4), such as sororities, fraternities and boarding houses where Accessible units are required. If the common use and public use spaces associated with the Accessible units are on an accessible level, Section 1107.4 would not require an elevator between stories. Section 1107.7.1 would possibly allow for no elevator
    in the building for the upper floors. When applying Exception 4 it is important to recognize that dormitories at colleges or boarding schools are excluded from this exception. Based upon the DOJ adoption of the 2010 ADA Standard, these facilities are required to provide elevators by federal law. The IBC is consistent with that intent, but it does not differentiate between public and private schools. Many colleges now provide “living communities,” or living arrangements for students with shared studies or interests, on different levels within dormitories. This accessible route requirement is intended to allow for full participation in all activities, as well as to visit or study with students on other levels in the dormitory.
     
  14. Builder Bob

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    Don't forget HUD C type accessible units......... Not in the building code but required by HUD.

    April 30, 2013 JOINT STATEMENT OF THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT AND THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE ACCESSIBILITY (DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION) REQUIREMENTS FOR COVERED MULTIFAMILY DWELLINGS UNDER THE FAIR HOUSING ACT Introduction The Department of Justice (“DOJ”) and the Department of Housing and Urban Development (“HUD”) are jointly responsible for enforcing the federal Fair Housing Act (the “Act”),1 which prohibits discrimination in housing on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, national origin, familial status, and disability.2 One of the types of disability discrimination prohibited by the Act is the failure to design and construct covered multifamily dwellings with certain features of accessible design. See 42 U.S.C. § 3604(f). This Joint Statement provides guidance regarding the persons, entities, and types of housing and related facilities that are subject to the accessible design and construction requirements of the Act (hereinafter, “design and construction requirements”). See 42 U.S.C. § 3604(f)(3).
     
  15. ADAguy

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    Good stuff guys!
     
  16. Rick18071

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    You asked if an elevator is required. No it is not. But an Accessible route may be required which can be a ramp. A ramp could be built outside if you didn't have the starway inside.
     
  17. Tim Mailloux

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    So the interior stair is the driving factor requiring the elevator per IBC 1104.5. But if the stair didn't exist and each level of the dorm operated independently we would not need the elevator?
     
  18. ADAguy

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    Not exactly, Your building is a dorm, dorms by their nature assume interaction between residents unless each floor is same sex only with no visitors of the opposite sex allowed to visit.
    In todays society that no longer is allowed.
     
  19. steveray

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    Correct....Then you are not discriminating against the people who can't use the stairs...
     
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    There is some really dumb stuff in the accessibility regs. But that sentence right there - that may be the dumbest.
     
    #20 JCraver, Apr 18, 2018
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