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Oakland Again

Discussion in 'Industry News' started by conarb, Jul 8, 2017.

  1. conarb

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    T Murray:

    Here in the "progressive" Bay Area police departments are being ordered to stand down and not go after the so-called anarchists, I mentioned once before our mass transit problems, this is particularly important here because building departments are the vehicle used to force development into the urban cores, and especially at mass transit stations. As I reported before black thugs have been invading BART trains attacking and robbing people, BART has it's own police force and they are doing nothing about it, they are trying to coverup the fact that the criminals are black and there is a huge controversy now about the coverups,
    When these criminals invade the trains they jump over the turnstiles, BART came up with a plan to erect fences over the turnstiles but the bicycle activist groups went mad at meetings stating that they get their bikes onto the trains by holding them over their heads as they go through the turnstiles, in fact they are just putting into service new train cars and the handicap and bicycle activists have demanded most of the space so there are very few seats in the new cars reserving most space for wheelchairs and bicycles. Plan Bay Area is trying to mass everyone at urban cores in large multifamily developments within walking or biking distance from mass transit to get people out of their cars and private homes, the fact is that they aren't safe and as the activists become more emboldened the authorities are letting them get away with whatever they want.

    Remember how Mark Handler was always making comments about politically correct terminology when referring to handicapped people? Apparently Canada has gone off the boards with political correctness, even making it law that you have to use pronouns describing people who don't know which sex they are, a Canadian psychology professor has refused to comply and has delivered the best opinion on the matter that I have ever read or heard, it's almost 3 hours but every minute of it is well worth the time, one thing he explains is social psychologists, I've read a lot of crap from them, and had to wonder what they were, I know of psychologists and sociologists but social psychologists is new to me, Professor Jordan Peterson of The University of Toronto explains that they make it up as they go along.

    See, there are still some good Canadians!

    ¹ http://hotair.com/archives/2017/07/11/bart-withholding-video-attacks-concern-stereotypes/
     
  2. conarb

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    CDA:

    Nobody but Moonbeam wants that stupid railroad, the reason he wants it is the United Nations wants people out of cars and airplanes by the end of this century to save the fu¢king planet.

    An update on the Oakland situation:


    ¹ http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/07/16/huge-failure-80-percent-of-oakland-firefighter-warnings-of-unsafe-buildings-go-unchecked/
     
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    It doesn't say, the interesting thing here is at least some of the rank and file firemen are doing their job, but once their complaints are filed they are kicked upstairs to the political appointees who could care less. It's also noteworthy that enforcement is diverted to money-making inspections and not real safety concerns.
     
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    The problem I see often when it comes to those in the enforcement community is that they taint their decision making process in favor of their desired outcome. We asked this question at a conference recently: "There is extreme settlement of a garage. The permit was issued and all inspections were completed approximately 3 years ago. You receive a call from the owner about the settlement, what do you do?". People overwhelmingly said that since the building permit is closed, they would not stop by to do an inspection. When asked why, they stated they do not have the authority to enter the property. While this is true that they cannot simply walk onto the property without the owner's permission, in this case the owner was inviting them onto the property. This time they claimed that if they entered onto the property that they would be increasing their liability.

    You see they didn't want to deal with the property owner who might have a legitimate concern. They looked for any reason why they do not need to do what they don't want to. You can usually see this in the reasoning. When someone does not provide a good reason why they do something, they are not giving the true reason. In this case, even the liability reason is flawed. As long as they explained the limits of what they would be able to inspect, the inspection would actually mitigate rather than exacerbate liability.

    I feel this might be their approach as well. They get a concern forwarded to them by their staff and it doesn't quite fit the policy, so they ignore it. Fast forward a couple years and the problem kills someone, have fun explaining why you are not liable when a member of your own staff informed you there might be an issue. We investigate every complaint. Every. Single. One. Even the ones I know are going to be BS. Once in a while I am surprised when they turn into legitimate concerns.
     
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    What we are getting down to is that inspections are all about making money to pay the broke pension funds.

    Interesting that the list of mayors neglects to include Jerry "Climate Change" Brown, in his first go-around at trying to destroy the state as governor he was Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown, we had major droughts during both of his administrations, in an effort to save water his motto was "If it's yellow let it mellow, if it's brown flush it down", you can imagine the fun we had with that one.

    What's really going on this is the pension funds are insolvent and the local AHJs are doing everything to divert monies to try to keep them solvent so they have something to retire on, after all that's why they work.


    ¹ http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/07/17/it-is-horrifying-oakland-officials-respond-to-fire-findings/

    ² http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/07/18/editorial-this-is-how-low-the-bar-has-sunk-in-oakland/
     
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    This in the paper today:

    We don't need building inspectors, we need cops, Oakland is full of Democrats, anti-capitalists, anarchists and other viscous groups.



    ¹ http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/07/19/new-oakland-housing-development-breaks-ground-in-shadows-of-construction-project-damaged-in-suspcious-fire/
     
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    “By their nature, developers are optimists,”

    Truer words have never been spoken.

    Our new mid rise wood provisions require operational sprinkler systems on a floor before they can move to the next storey. Something similar might be in order here.
     
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    That's one Hell of an idea, given the political climate here that should be an emergency code requirement.
     
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    Will you post the wording on that requirement.

    And how are the sprinkler and gc's taking it and how are the installs going??


    Thanks
     
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    It just passed it's public review, so the final wording is not yet known, but the basics are that the progressive installation of automatic sprinklers require the sprinklers to be active on a storey before construction can commence on the storey above. It is understood that sprinklers may need to be deactivated during construction, however the time they are to be deactivated must be minimized.

    There are obvious concerns related to cold weather work and there is a lot of discretion involved. But realistically, these building go up fast and require a significant amount of scheduling.

    Basically, It is possible. It is hard to do. It keeps the people who shouldn't be doing this kind of work away from it.

    We don't see a lot of arson here, our fires are mostly some idiot doing hot works who leaves and goes for a smoke break. Forgets he is not working in a concrete building and doesn't do the proper shut down procedure. From what I've read, most of the mid-west ones in the US are the same reason. Unfortunately, sprinklers don't cure stupid.
     
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    California requires anyone touching a sprinklers system graduate from a state approved apprenticeship system, that means they are union sprinkler fitters since the unions run the apprenticeship program.
     
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    That should be helpful. I don't have a lot of faith in apprenticeship programs. Our carpentry program here have had people graduate who don't know what a miter joint is. Typically, the carpenters union throws them on a low skill job and just says they completed all the necessary disciplines. Meanwhile, they've only done formwork for four years.
     
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    Unfortunately the same thing has happened here, back when all legitimate contractors were union I tried to keep my mix at 50% residential and 50% a combination or industrial/commercial/government jobs to keep my apprenticeship mixes up to union rules so I wouldn't lose them after spending a lot of money training them, hopefully the sprinkler fitters' union will try doing something similar.
     
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    a sprinkler guy told me this about the difference between a plumber or a pipe fitter:
    Upon application the person is told to get up to the neck into a vat of **** then they swing a iron pipe at the head,
    those that dive into the **** are plumbers those who take the pipe to the head are pipe fitters!
     
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    Now the activists are burning down buildings in Boston
     

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