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Replacement Of Existing Freight Elevators

Discussion in 'Elevators' started by north star, Jul 31, 2018.

  1. north star

    north star Sawhorse

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    Greetings all !

    I have a set of project plans where an existing Freight Elevator
    is scheduled to be replaced with a newer Freight Elevator.
    The RDP has listed the `09 ICC \ ANSI A117.1 & the ADAAG
    Standards in the Specifications document, as government Standards.
    The new elevator is "proposed" to be a Kone MonoSpace 500 gearless
    traction elevator.


    QUESTION: Are Freight Elevators "required" to follow any

    Accessibility Standards, and in an existing facility with an existing
    Freight Elevator [ i.e. - a replacement of kind ] ?

    Thanks !

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  2. JPohling

    JPohling Sawhorse

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    North, In the California code and the ADA the elevator sections all begin with: Elevators provided for passengers shall comply........
    Is this a dedicated freight? or it does double duty and is located with the other elevators and may show up if summoned by the call buttons? If that is the case then access would be required.
     
  3. north star

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    JPohling,

    Thanks for your input !......I do not know the extent of the
    current use, or the extent of the planned use of this particular
    elevator.......I DO know that part of its intended use is the
    transfer of freight up & down two stories.

    The RDP has indicated the brand & the model, with a reference
    to the Code & Standard I listed above [ i.e. - a Kone Monospace
    500 freight elevator ].......Essentially, at this point in my review
    of the plans, I am researching to find out if it will double as a
    passenger elevator as well.


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  4. RLGA

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    North Star, you read the specifications? Kudos to you.

    Thank you, from every specifier everywhere.
     
  5. Paul Sweet

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    I don't think ADA would apply if it is a true freight elevator (vertical opening doors, mesh cab, etc.), especially if it is isolated form the other elevators. ADA would apply if it is a regular elevator with pads and a higher ceiling to do double duty.
     
  6. north star

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    Ron,

    I typically do not perform an in-depth reading of
    every single jot & tittle in the Specs., but because
    the plans \ blueprints are lacking clarity, I very often
    dive in looking for answers [ I ain't skeer'd ].
    Most of the time there is so much fluff and ambiguity
    in the Specs., that they simply do not provide me
    the answers I am looking for.


    IMO, ...the Specs. simply do not have enough
    relevant information in them, but rather a host of
    options to choose from.......From what I have
    observed I over the years, most Specs. are
    "cut & paste" exercises for the junior office staff
    to compose in to a document called the
    Specifications Manual without performing any
    in-depth research on their own......Yes, I
    understand that time is money, and no one wants
    to pay someone to perform basic research [ i.e. -
    reinvent the Specifications Wheel ], when in the
    majority of the time, ...no one actually reads and
    scrutinizes the Specs. anyway......I dare say that
    most Plans Examiners, Inspectors & Code Officials
    do not delve in to the Specs.


    Time is short, so every minute and opportunity
    has to [ read - "should" ] count !


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  7. RLGA

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    Apparently you don’t get many specifications prepared by a professional specifier. Firms that “cut and paste” specifications will most likely find themselves in legal hot water, eventually.
     
  8. north star

    north star Sawhorse

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    FWIW, ...all of the Specification Manuals I have ever
    looked at \ read, had the design seal & signature of an
    RDP.


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  9. RLGA

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    Being a registered design professional doth not a professional specifier make. Many architects who seal their drawings, and I’ve worked with a lot of them, generally have no clue what specifications are or how important they are in a set of contract documents. Design architects think that only the drawings are important, but when the crud hits the perverbial fan, lawyers look at the written word—the agreement, the general conditions, and then the specifications.
     
  10. north star

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    Agreed sir ! :cool:

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  11. ADAguy

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    CSI CDT certification is a great tool for learning how to read specs.
     

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