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Screwed up lavatories

Discussion in 'Accessibility' started by Rick18071, Jul 11, 2018.

  1. Rick18071

    Rick18071 Sawhorse

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    This lavatory is made for 3 people to use at one time. Have a bunch of these, one in each rest room, in this new building. The problem is that this lav is one piece with the rim at exactly 34" and the floors are not level so half of them end up with the rim more than 34". So to fix this they are tilling them towards the front or to one side so only the front or one side is 34" and other other sides are too high.

    The code only requires one lav to be accessible. Would you consider these are actually 3 lavatories?
    If yes could they put the required accessibility sign on the side or front that is 34"?
     
  2. ADAguy

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    It would appear that only the front approach has the required knee clearance for a chair and therefore that would be the 34" lip height. No sign necessary
     
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    Thanks for the tip but I just checked it out and the knee space is ok on the sides but the toe space is short. Does this mean that even when these sink rims are 34" a sign with the symbol of accessibility will always need to be mounted on the front of the sink because the sides are not accessible because of the inadequate toe space?
     
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    It depends,
    Just be thankful you are not in CA or FL.
    A sign is only useful if you are sighted, what if you are not?
    May want to ask the vender for justification of the product design.
     
  5. JPohling

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    I am not sure of the issue, You have 3 sinks and one is accessible. if this were a sink counter with three drop in sinks and only one was fully accessible would you sign it?
    I think it would be obvious
     
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    Looking at ch. 11 about signs it looks like they won't need signs.
     
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    If the sinks are being tilted forward, is there sufficient slope back to the drain? Seems like the manufacture would have some specification for the rim being level in the installation guide.
     
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    In accordance with 2009 ICC/ANSI A117.1 forward approach is not required to be centered for "lavatories", the clear floor space can offset to allow for knee and toe clearance provided the controls within reach. In comparison the reference standard will specifically call out centered clear floor space fixtures such as drinking fountains and "sinks".

    606.2 Clear Floor Space. A clear floor space complying with Section 305.3, positioned for forward approach, shall be provided. Knee and toe clearance complying with Section 306 shall be provided. The dip of the overflow shall not be considered in determining knee and toe clearances.
     

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