lpiburn
Silver Member
Hello all,
1. Is there such thing as a "rated lid" for non-corridor applications?
2. Are there any exceptions for fire barrier continuity in situations with very high floor-to-deck heights?
It seems like I run into this question on a lot of projects. We have a building with a high roof (typically pre-engineered metal) and a couple of relatively small rated rooms in it. The comment I get is "we'll just put a lid on it", or more accurately "We'll use a rated ceiling so we don't have to run the walls to deck". From all of my research I have found only one instance where this is EVER allowed in code and that is the corridor exception 709.4 Continuity (exception 3). The problem is that only applies to corridors that are allowed to be constructed as fire partitions. I have not found anything where this technique can be used for a rated room such as a >100s.f. laundry room, etc.
The thing is, when I tell people there's no such thing as a fingerquotes "rated ceiling" and start explaining floor-ceiling assemblies and so forth, I either get blank stares or I get replies like "we've been doing that for years and never had a problem." Does a "rated lid" need to be constructed as a full blown floor-ceiling-assembly with a UL listing etc. ? Would this kind of condition have to be specifically approved by the AHJ?
Any help or insight would be appreciated.
-LP
1. Is there such thing as a "rated lid" for non-corridor applications?
2. Are there any exceptions for fire barrier continuity in situations with very high floor-to-deck heights?
It seems like I run into this question on a lot of projects. We have a building with a high roof (typically pre-engineered metal) and a couple of relatively small rated rooms in it. The comment I get is "we'll just put a lid on it", or more accurately "We'll use a rated ceiling so we don't have to run the walls to deck". From all of my research I have found only one instance where this is EVER allowed in code and that is the corridor exception 709.4 Continuity (exception 3). The problem is that only applies to corridors that are allowed to be constructed as fire partitions. I have not found anything where this technique can be used for a rated room such as a >100s.f. laundry room, etc.
The thing is, when I tell people there's no such thing as a fingerquotes "rated ceiling" and start explaining floor-ceiling assemblies and so forth, I either get blank stares or I get replies like "we've been doing that for years and never had a problem." Does a "rated lid" need to be constructed as a full blown floor-ceiling-assembly with a UL listing etc. ? Would this kind of condition have to be specifically approved by the AHJ?
Any help or insight would be appreciated.
-LP