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Existing Rental Cabins

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I have some project plans where there will be some Level 1
[ from the 2015 IEBC ] work being performed on some rental
cabins near a lake........FWIW, these cabins are located on a
federal military installation.

One of the existing cabins is designated as ADA equipped.
At this one cabin, it is being proposed to remove the existing,
wooden guard-railing, vertical pickets and horizontal top railing
and replace with horizontal metal strands [ complying with the
applicable structural loads ].

QUESTION # 1: How should the rental cabins be identified

[ i.e. - R-1, R-2, R-3, etc. ] ?

QUESTION # 2: Because part of the hand-railing is being replaced,

does this now qualify as new construction and subject to the
requirements of the applicable `15 IBC, ...the `17 A117.1 &
the `10 ADASAD [ i.e. - the requirement for hand-railing ] ?

Thanks for your input !


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Group R-3. New work shall comply with the current code (IEBC Section 702.6).

The 2017 ANSI is not referenced by the 2015 IBC--only the 2009.
 
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Much Thanks Paul ! ;) FWIW, ...the Base Commander will
not have a clue in this instance.......Our office will be the AHJ,
and thus, we will be interpreting the "required" Codes &
Standards that are applicable.

As I understand it, the applicable Codes & Standards are the
`15 Edition of the I-Codes, ...the `10 ADASAD [ for new construction ]
and, as Mr. Ron has pointed out, ...the `09 A117.1.......No UFAS
or ABA.


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Much Thanks Paul ! ;)

As I understand it, the applicable Codes & Standards are the
`15 Edition of the I-Codes, ...the `10 ADASAD [ for new construction ]
and, as Mr. Ron has pointed out, ...the `09 A117.1.......No UFAS
or ABA.


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If it's on military property (i.e. DoD property), then why wouldn't the ABA be applicable?
 
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The military installation in question is not a true DoD facility.
It is a military training facility in the Southeastern U.S.,
on mostly State owned property.

No one in authority has ever mentioned use of the ABA.

So, if the ABA is applicable, that would be 4 Accessibility Standards
to apply [ i.e. - `09 A117.1, ...the `10 ADASAD, ...[ possibly ] Ch. 11
in the `15 IBC, and the ABA ] ?


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Possibly. Actually, IBC Chapter 11 provides the scoping requirements for ANSI A117.1, much like the second chapters provide for each the ADA and ABA standards; thus, really only three standards.

If it's leased property, but DoD-built buildings, then I would think the ABA standards would still apply and not the ADA standards. However, the two are so comparable, that complying with one should not be that difficult to comply with the other.

There is a combined document (2004 ADA-ABA Standards) published by the Access Board (https://www.access-board.gov/guidel...kground/ada-aba-accessibility-guidelines-2004) that has both standards. It provides separate scoping chapters for each, but the technical requirements for both are the same. The DoJ, in their 2010 ADA Standards, just published the ADA portion.

If the buildings are leased, then scoping requirements for the ABA has a section on leased property, which is limited compliance. If just the land is leased and the DoD built the structures, then I would say that the ABA standards are applicable.
 
The quandary here is you have a choice, stay with ABA or go with 2010 ADASAD for this and all future alterations.
 
DoD uses the 2004 ABA Standards (https://www.access-board.gov/guidel...t-the-aba-standards/background/dod-memorandum). Unless they amend the IBC (which I doubt), then the 2009 ANSI A117.1 would also be applicable.

DoD uses the 2015 version of ABA Standards (which oddly says it was adopted in 2008), available here:
https://www.access-board.gov/attachments/article/1029/ABAstandards.pdf
One change is that it does include provisions for outdoor developed areas which may be relevant.

The way to trace this is to look at UFC 1-200-01 which is the DoD Building Code, available here:
http://wbdg.org/FFC/DOD/UFC/ufc_1_200_01_2016_c1.pdf
The UFC invokes the 2015 IBC and 2015 IEBC with modifications. One of the modifications is to not use Chapter 11 of IBC but instead use the ABA Standards.
 
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...continuing with the discussion on this same topic.

In all of the lake-front cabins planned for renovations \
alterations [ Level 1 ], ...in reviewing the submitted plans,
I have noticed that there aren't any Exhaust Fans in
any of the existing Bathrooms, nor are any planned to
be installed. :confused:


QUESTION: Are Exhaust Fans "required" to be installed
in these Transient Lodging facilities ?.....NOTE: There are
plans to replace the outdated HVAC systems with more
energy efficient systems, just no Exhaust Fans.

I am using the `15 I-Codes, ...the `10 ADASAD, ...the
`09 A117.1 & the ABA..........May I also please request
that you cite your Codes or Standards references.


Thanks for your input ! :)


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IEBC
SECTION 707
ENERGY CONSERVATION

707.1 Minimum requirements.
Level 1 alterations to existing buildings or structures are permitted without requiring the entire building or structure to comply with the energy requirements of the International Energy Conservation Code or International Residential Code. The alterations shall conform to the energy requirements of the International Energy Conservation Code or International Residential Code as they relate to new construction only.


IRC

TABLE M1507.4
MINIMUM REQUIRED LOCAL EXHAUST RATES FOR
ONE- AND TWO-FAMILY DWELLINGS


AREA TO BE EXHAUSTED EXHAUST RATES
Kitchens 100 cfm intermittent or 25 cfm continuous
Bathrooms-Toilet Rooms Mechanical exhaust capacity of 50 cfm intermittent or 20 cfm continuous
 
Exhaust fans might not be required if the bathrooms have operable windows.
I can't find that exception anymore. Instead I find the energy codes requirement of a blower door test and air changes not exceeding 5 air changes per hour requiring mechanical ventilation

R402.4.1.2 Testing.
The building or dwelling unit shall be tested and verified as having an air leakage rate of not exceeding 5 air changes per hour in Climate Zones 1 and 2, and 3 air changes per hour in Climate Zones 3 through 8. Testing shall be conducted with a blower door at a pressure of 0.2 inches w.g. (50 Pascals). Where required by the code official, testing shall be conducted by an approved third party. A written report of the results of the test shall be signed by the party conducting the test and provided to the code official. Testing shall be performed at any time after creation of all penetrations of the building thermal envelope

R303.4 Mechanical ventilation.
Where the air infiltration rate of a dwelling unit is less than 5 air changes per hour when tested with a blower door at a pressure of 0.2 inch w.c (50 Pa) in accordance with Section N1102.4.1.2, the dwelling unit shall be provided with whole-house mechanical ventilation in accordance with Section M1507.3.
 
2015 IRC R303.3 still requires bathrooms to have 3 SF of glazing and half of it to be operable, unless artificial light and a local exhaust are provided.
 
The IMC permits natural ventilation of all spaces. IMC 401.2 commentary invites "no criteria are given to evaluate ventilation effectiveness methods are used simultaneously for a room or a space. On the other hand, the code does not prohibit the combined use of both natural and mechanical methods."

TOILET ROOM VENTILATION . . . 402.1, Table 403.3
 
My understanding is that if it is a federally owned building then local building regulations do not apply. If it a privately owned building located on federal property then the regulations that apply to the local jurisdiction in which the building exists would apply.
 
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