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What are permanent provisions for cooking?

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What would be permanent provisions for:

1) Cooking?
2) Eating?

DWELLING UNIT. A single unit providing complete independent living facilities for one or more persons, including permanent provisions for living, sleeping, eating, cooking and sanitation.
 
Our policy on this is that if you can cook Thanksgiving dinner, you've met the cooking portion. Eating is a open space large enough for a table and chair(s).
 
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IMHO, permanent provisions, would not include a hot plate or microwave oven. I would think attached. Cabinet, sink, Refer Space, Built in cooktop.
Living, sleeping and eating is furniture and space, can't see that as permanent provisions.

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Our policy on this is that if you can cook Thanksgiving dinner, you've met the cooking portion. Eating is a open space large enough for a table and chair(s).
Thanksgiving dinner could be a TV dinner. and depending on circumstances, no clean up. Plastic and Paper.
 
My AHJ says it has to have stove top or oven. Microwave is mostly used to warm or reheat something already cooked. We will not kick in any of the ADU requirements on just a microwave.
 
I've seen a lot of outside kitchens. What if the only cooking appliance for this building is a stove and/or a built in barbecue that is outside on the deck or patio?
 
what if the moon fell from the sky - You cannot make a person buy a stove, but I can make permanent provisions for 220 volt power outlet with adequate space to be provided in the layout (Cooking facilities taken care of),

If you CO a house without furniture you are assuming that permanent living areas are being provided ( Backed up by minimum interior dimensions in chapter 12), The space is for living, sleeping, and eating and nothing is permanently installed to indicate this other than plans with the words - bedroom, kitchen, bath, etc.

Sanitation - generally recognized as waste disposal and bathing areas - (3 x 3 shower and hole in floor might work- as that is semi permanent) Tennessee I believe still has state guidelines for out houses as not all areas in the mountains are serviceable by septic tan fields and or public sewers.
 
DEFINITIONS A. Kitchen. A kitchen means an area within a structure that is used or designed to be used for the preparation or cooking of food and that contains one or both of the following: 1. Cooking appliances or rough in facilities including, but not limited to: ovens, convection ovens, stoves, stove tops, built-in grills or microwave ovens or similar appliances, 240 volt electrical outlets or any gas lines. OR 2. A sink less than 18 inches in depth with a waste line drain 1-½ inches or greater in diameter AND a refrigerator exceeding five (5) cubic feet in capacity or space opening with an electrical outlet that may reasonably be used for a refrigerator exceeding five (5) cubic feet in capacity.
B. An approved kitchen may have more than one sink, stove, oven or refrigerator in the same room.
C. Wet Bar. A single sink with a waste drain line no greater than 1-1/2 inches in diameter and an under counter refrigerator no greater than 5 cubic feet in size with cabinets and/or counter top area not exceeding 6 lineal feet. A wet bar shall not include a refrigerator in excess of 5 cubic feet in size or a kitchen sink greater than 2 square feet in size or a gas or electric range, stove top and/or oven (but may include a microwave oven). Page 2 Effective: 8/1
 
DEFINITIONS A. Kitchen. A kitchen means an area within a structure that is used or designed to be used for the preparation or cooking of food and that contains one or both of the following: 1. Cooking appliances or rough in facilities including, but not limited to: ovens, convection ovens, stoves, stove tops, built-in grills or microwave ovens or similar appliances, 240 volt electrical outlets or any gas lines. OR 2. A sink less than 18 inches in depth with a waste line drain 1-½ inches or greater in diameter AND a refrigerator exceeding five (5) cubic feet in capacity or space opening with an electrical outlet that may reasonably be used for a refrigerator exceeding five (5) cubic feet in capacity.
B. An approved kitchen may have more than one sink, stove, oven or refrigerator in the same room.
C. Wet Bar. A single sink with a waste drain line no greater than 1-1/2 inches in diameter and an under counter refrigerator no greater than 5 cubic feet in size with cabinets and/or counter top area not exceeding 6 lineal feet. A wet bar shall not include a refrigerator in excess of 5 cubic feet in size or a kitchen sink greater than 2 square feet in size or a gas or electric range, stove top and/or oven (but may include a microwave oven). Page 2 Effective: 8/1
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DEFINITIONS A. Kitchen. A kitchen means an area within a structure that is used or designed to be used for the preparation or cooking of food and that contains one or both of the following: 1. Cooking appliances or rough in facilities including, but not limited to: ovens, convection ovens, stoves, stove tops, built-in grills or microwave ovens or similar appliances, 240 volt electrical outlets or any gas lines. OR 2. A sink less than 18 inches in depth with a waste line drain 1-½ inches or greater in diameter AND a refrigerator exceeding five (5) cubic feet in capacity or space opening with an electrical outlet that may reasonably be used for a refrigerator exceeding five (5) cubic feet in capacity.
B. An approved kitchen may have more than one sink, stove, oven or refrigerator in the same room.
C. Wet Bar. A single sink with a waste drain line no greater than 1-1/2 inches in diameter and an under counter refrigerator no greater than 5 cubic feet in size with cabinets and/or counter top area not exceeding 6 lineal feet. A wet bar shall not include a refrigerator in excess of 5 cubic feet in size or a kitchen sink greater than 2 square feet in size or a gas or electric range, stove top and/or oven (but may include a microwave oven). Page 2 Effective: 8/1
The problem is the term "permanent" provisions for cooking. Unless the appliance is built in it is not permanent.
A microwave or toaster oven is not permanent.
 
The problem is the term "permanent" provisions for cooking. Unless the appliance is built in it is not permanent.
A microwave or toaster oven is not permanent.
It is a permanent provision.

I'd argue that the appliance is not required, the the provision is the dedicated circuit, gas connection, etc. Not any different than sleeping; a room is required, but a bed, hammock, etc. is the occupant's responsibility.
 
It is a permanent provision.

I'd argue that the appliance is not required, the the provision is the dedicated circuit, gas connection, etc. Not any different than sleeping; a room is required, but a bed, hammock, etc. is the occupant's responsibility.
My comment is based off the original post. "Permanent" provisions for cooking.
 
My comment is based off the original post. "Permanent" provisions for cooking.
I understand... I am providing a rebuttal argument that the provision required can be the energy source for the intended appliance and that the appliance can be the responsibility of the occupant.

In concept, this is similar to provisions for sleeping. A bed is not a requirement; it would be up to the occupant to install their desired furniture for sleeping (bed, cot, hammock, etc.).
 
Seem like Permanent cooking is like defining obscenity and pornography

In the summer of 1973, the Supreme Court decided a group of pornography/obscenity cases that set the standards for the future of pornography. In his Dissent in one of these cases, Justice Brennan wearily admitted:

"Our experience since Roth requires us not only to abandon the effort to pick out obscene materials on a case-by-case basis, but also to reconsider a fundamental postulate of Roth: that there exists a definable class of sexually oriented expression that may be suppressed by the Federal and State Governments. Assuming that such a class of expression does in fact exist, I am forced to conclude that the concept of 'obscenity' cannot be defined with sufficient specificity and clarity to provide fair notice to persons who create and distribute sexually oriented materials, to prevent substantial erosion of protected speech as a byproduct of the attempt to suppress unprotected speech, and to avoid very costly institutional harms."


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