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Hyrax4978

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Trying to differentiate between public versus restricted entrance.

Commentary states
Public entrance : "Entrance may be locked for security purposes, but if the door serves as an entrance for employees or residents with keys, that door would still be considered a public entrance.
Restricted entrance : "This may be for jurors only at a courthouse, visitors only at a jail or employees only at a factory"

If an entrance is locked, and employees have keys to get in. Is it restricted?
 
Hyrax4978 said:
Trying to differentiate between public versus restricted entrance.

Commentary states
Public entrance : "Entrance may be locked for security purposes, but if the door serves as an entrance for employees or residents with keys, that door would still be considered a public entrance.
Restricted entrance : "This may be for jurors only at a courthouse, visitors only at a jail or employees only at a factory"

If an entrance is locked, and employees have keys to get in. Is it restricted?
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If the door is intended to be used only by employees, then yes, it is a restricted entrance. If the door is unlocked during business hours and anybody can enter through the door, but after hours it is locked and only employees with keys have access, then it is still a public entrance.
 
RLGA said:
If the door is intended to be used only by employees, then yes, it is a restricted entrance. If the door is unlocked during business hours and anybody can enter through the door, but after hours it is locked and only employees with keys have access, then it is still a public entrance.
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And still must be accessible.
 
I agree with Ron, but here are the Ch. 2 definitions.

PUBLIC ENTRANCE. An entrance that is not a service entrance or a restricted entrance.

RESTRICTED ENTRANCE. An entrance that is made available for common use on a controlled basis, but not public use, and that is not a service entrance.

SERVICE ENTRANCE. An entrance intended primarily for delivery of goods or services.​
 
Hyrax4978 said:
Trying to differentiate between public versus restricted entrance.

If an entrance is locked, and employees have keys to get in. Is it restricted?
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Only if it is an entrance....if it is a door that employees can happen to access, it is not necessarily an "entrance", really comes down to intent...I usually have the designer present it very specifically like our ramp discussion...
 
ADAguy said:
Example other than a vault, please?
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A building has two entrances that are marked as "Employees Only." Both entrances allow access to the entire facility. Only one of those entrances are required to be accessible.
 
RLGA said:
A building has two entrances that are marked as "Employees Only." Both entrances allow access to the entire facility. Only one of those entrances are required to be accessible.
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I agree with Ron in that only one of the entrances must be accessible; however, I want to highlight that it is a bit more difficult with exits.

While only one accessible entrance is required, often two accessible means of egress may be required. See IBC Section 1009.1 below. Of course, one also must be aware of what can be used in an accessible means of egress. As an example, an accessible route cannot utilize stairs, but an accessible means of egress can.

1009.1 Accessible Means of Egress Required
Accessible means of egress shall comply with this section. Accessible spaces shall be provided with not less than one accessible means of egress. Where more than one means of egress are required by Section 1006.2 or 1006.3 from any accessible space, each accessible portion of the space shall be served by not less than two accessible means of egress.
Exceptions:
  1. Accessible means of egress are not required to be provided in existing buildings.
  2. One accessible means of egress is required from an accessible mezzanine level in accordance with Section 1009.3, 1009.4 or 1009.5.
  3. In assembly areas with ramped aisles or stepped aisles, one accessible means of egress is permitted where the common path of egress travel is accessible and meets the requirements in Section 1029.8.
 
A lot of good info. I still struggle with the commentary of the definition of Public entrance : "Entrance may be locked for security purposes, but if the door serves as an entrance for employees or residents with keys, that door would still be considered a public entrance.

So in this situation, this is a facility that does work that public can not walk around in. but the doors are unlocked during the day and the employees come and go freely, but visitors must check in at a separate facility, get a pass, and be escorted through this building. That being said, if i showed up, and really wanted to, i could walk right in. My guess upper management might not know its unlocked, but they are. Im assuming if they saw someone unwanted or unwelcome they would get escorted out. they do semi classified type work, no pictures, etc, but the security is relaxed. So since they don't want visitors just walking around and you must check in first some place else, these would be "restricted"
 
Ty J. said:
I agree with Ron in that only one of the entrances must be accessible; however, I want to highlight that it is a bit more difficult with exits.

While only one accessible entrance is required, often two accessible means of egress may be required. See IBC Section 1009.1 below. Of course, one also must be aware of what can be used in an accessible means of egress. As an example, an accessible route cannot utilize stairs, but an accessible means of egress can.

1009.1 Accessible Means of Egress Required
Accessible means of egress shall comply with this section. Accessible spaces shall be provided with not less than one accessible means of egress. Where more than one means of egress are required by Section 1006.2 or 1006.3 from any accessible space, each accessible portion of the space shall be served by not less than two accessible means of egress.
Exceptions:
  1. Accessible means of egress are not required to be provided in existing buildings.
  2. One accessible means of egress is required from an accessible mezzanine level in accordance with Section 1009.3, 1009.4 or 1009.5.
  3. In assembly areas with ramped aisles or stepped aisles, one accessible means of egress is permitted where the common path of egress travel is accessible and meets the requirements in Section 1029.8.
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The "not required" exception remains a time bomb when it is readily possible to do so.
 
ADAguy said:
The "not required" exception remains a time bomb when it is readily possible to do so.
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How so? AMOE is not "ever" required in an existing building, so not sure where that would be a timebomb....Don't get me wrong, I have been lied to by designers where "they are not going to use that as an entrance" and a month after the CO they put in card readers and access...Then it is a violation, and impossible to fix other than removing access/ entrance...
 
steveray said:
How so? AMOE is not "ever" required in an existing building, so not sure where that would be a timebomb....Don't get me wrong, I have been lied to by designers where "they are not going to use that as an entrance" and a month after the CO they put in card readers and access...Then it is a violation, and impossible to fix other than removing access/ entrance...
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Ok you have an "exception" but failure to provide second exits in existing buildings when it is possible to do so when altered is a death waiting to happen.
 
RLGA said:
A building has two entrances that are marked as "Employees Only." Both entrances allow access to the entire facility. Only one of those entrances are required to be accessible.
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Is this always the case? I recall that if there are separate and distinct parking areas for a building, each parking area shall have handicap parking and access to an accessible entrance. So if you had parking lots on opposite sides of a large building ( for instance a large manufacturing facility in Bloomfield CT) both lots would need handicap parking and an accessible entrance...or so I have been told :)
 
In your example it appears at a minimum 2 exits/entrances would be required, both requiring access.
 
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