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Operational and Non Operational Permits

D a v e W

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What does your AHJ do? Operational only? Both? Neither, none. Who does the inspection? Cost? Looking for information in general as our city discusses this.
 
sorry been busy

we have annual /operational permits

for various things

the fire marshal's office issues thema and inspects the business annualy for compliance

types in use are

explosives, different flammable/combustible use/storage, hazardous materails per table 105.2.6.21, LPG,, pyrotechnics, gates across fire lanes, speed bumps, tents,

range from $ 40 to $ 150, with some places haveing multiple permits.

we send a letter and application out a month prior to permit being due, and charge a one time late fee of $ 40 after a half a month of being late.
 
In our small community, the required subjects are generally covered by a Building Permit or Certificate of Occupancy.

We provide all pertinent information to our Fire District to review, and they are involved in Occupancy and annual inspections as well.

Nothing different than our "regular" Building Permit here.

mj
 
There are two types of permit specified in the fire code: construction and operational.

Most jurisdictions that have a fire marshal's office issue construction permits.

Use of operational permits is wildly inconsistent from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Some issue them, some don't. Some inspect the site, some don't. Some charge for them, some don't.

My jurisdiction doesn't issue a formal operational permit, but we do verify compliance with the code during regular site inspections. This is done by full time inspection staff (not line crews), and is paid for from the general fund (we don't charge business owners a separate inspection fee).
 
We do both and follow the Calif. fire code, Engine and truck cos. do the annual, 24 and 36 month inspections and the fire inspectors do new construction, TI's, weed abatement, Fuel modification, HAZMAT disclosures, speciality occupancies, temporary tents, complaints, etc. $40.00 to $150.00 range

The building dept. is trying to take over our duties to justify their kingdom while ignoring California Health and Safety Code Section 13146.5 "The provisions of Sections 13145, 13146, and 13146.3 shall, so far as practiable, be carried out at the local level by persons who are regular full-time members of a regularly organized fire department of a city, county, or district providing fire protection services, and shall not be carried out by other persons pursuant to Section 34004 of the Government Code."

Sorry for the added bonus rant...... just needed to get it off my chest!:banghd
 
We do it like Permit's jurisdiction since the FD does not like to create an enviornment or have one viewed as double dipping or adding costs to business especially during our country's and jurisdiction's present state of affairs. To each their own........
 
Thanks all for the input. We currently (beginning of 2011) have received the responsibility (did not renew fire contract, except for fires/aid cars) of ALL fire inspections for new construction, plan review, operation, non-operations etc. Trying to see what others are doing or not doing.
 
Due to FD budget cuts 2 years ago we took over fire inspections on new construction and existing buildings. We handle sprinkler and alarm plan reviews and construction basically anything inside the building. We receive $40,000 per year from the general fund to cover the existing building inspections. State law prohibits the use of permit fees to fund non-permit work. We did send 27% of ALL building permit fees to the FD for sprinkler and alarm plan review and inspections that revenue now stays in the Building Department funds and more than covers or cost. We only charge for construction permits for sprinklers and/or alarms if that scope of work is not included in the GC's contract

We are in the process of issuing our first operational permit for a paint store. We are viewing operational permits as "agreements" between the business and the city and there will be no fees for them.
 
We do. Removed Fee schedule to shorten post.

Ordinance # 10-09-200

AN ORDINANCE REQUIRING THE PAYMENT OF PERMIT FEES BEFORE CONSTRUCTION OR UNDERTAKING HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS WITHIN THE CITY

WHEREAS, the Mayor and Board of Alderman of the have the obligation and authority pursuant to Sections 21-19-1 and 21-19-21 of Code of 1972, as amended, to enact all needful ordinances and codes necessary for the preservation of the public health, safety and welfare of the City; and

WHEREAS,the Mayor and Board of Alderman of , recognize the inherent dangers of hazardous operations and the need for plan review before the insulation of all fire preventive devices do hereby enact the following permit fee schedule in accordance with the International Fire Code Section 105.

Now, THEREFORE,be it ordained By the Mayor and Board of Alderman of the as follows:

Permit fees.

The following permits shall be issued and fees charged for the line items indicated with Section 2 penalties being assessed upon failure of the 3rd inspection. Fee schedule as follows:

Fire Prevention Bureau Permit and Fee Schedule


Operational Permit Fees as listed in the 2006 IFC Section 105

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The following operational permits are time sensitive or must be renewed

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Construction Permit Fees as listed in the 2006 IFC Section 105.7

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Alterations to or addition of the following shall be assessed as listed.

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All systems included in a new project are included in the initial plan review and building permit fees if received with the initial (1st) plan set. If plans are not included in the 1st plan set the following fees apply in addition to building permit fees.

All plans must bear the wet stamp seal of a registered design professional in that field of expertise.


Section 2. PENALTY

1. A violation of any provision of this ordinance shall be punished by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000.00) or by imprisonment not to exceed ninety (90) days, or both. The minimum penalty for a first offense violation of this ordinance shall be one hundred dollars ($100.00). 2. Each day any violation of any provision of this ordinance shall continue shall constitute a separate offense.3. The penalties provided for in this Section shall be in addition to any other remedies available to the Governing Authority through the institution of an action or proceeding in any court, including but not limited to an action or proceeding to enjoin any violation of this ordinance.

Section 3. SEVERABILITYIf any section, subsection, sentence, clause, phrase or portion of this ordinance is for any reason held invalid or unconstitutional by any court of competent jurisdiction, such portion shall be deemed as a separate, distinct and independent provision, and such holding shall not affect the validity of the remaining portions thereof.Section 4. EFFECTIVE DATEThis ordinance shall become effective and be in full force from and after being certified by the City Clerk, signed by the Mayor or Board majority, recorded in the ordinance book, published and after waiting 30 days after the date of passage.

After first having been reduced to writing, then read and considered by the Mayor and Board of Aldermen, a motion was properly made by Alderman and duly seconded by Alderman , and a roll call vote was taken with the following results:

The foregoing ordinance was Ordained, Adopted and Approved by the Mayor and Board of Aldermen of the at a regular meeting thereof held on the 7th day of September, 2010. Witness my signature, the 7th day of September, 2010

 
Greetings

operational permits? you bet

Have a jury trial for a fella that didn't get one next week. He's got a few other charges too.

BS
 
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