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    NFPA 101 Grab Bar Conflict with ANSI

    I have been to several Accessibility Seminars but because this is from the Life Safety Code I doubt that these grab bars would be covered by those because they tend to focus on Accessibility (ANSI, ADA, FHA, etc.) rather than life safety.
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    NFPA 101 Grab Bar Conflict with ANSI

    But to meet LSC grab bar it has to be on the wall or a pole in the room 6" outside of the surround. I get the intent of the video but if I did grab bars like in the video they would not comply with LSC grab bars.
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    NFPA 101 Grab Bar Conflict with ANSI

    Thanks for the info. This reinforces the idea that it is better for the grab bar to be OUTSIDE of the fiberglass surround.
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    2018 IBC Section 1020 Corridors

    I get the supporting construction exception for type VB, but I do not think it really applies to what I have. The floors of the breezeway do not support the walls. The walls are already fire-rated. I am more looking for the rating of the floor/ceilings between breezeway levels. I think that I...
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    2018 IBC Section 1020 Corridors

    Yes, this was my initial interpretation as well, and this is the entire source of my bosses reasoning as to why he thinks it is just walls. I could also understand an interpretation where two corridors over each other would not be separated from each other.
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    2018 IBC Section 1020 Corridors

    In my case it is just two walls, a floor and a roof.
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    2018 IBC Section 1020 Corridors

    I was looking for the code definition of enclose but this seems like it WOULD include the floor and ceiling. It is had to tell what you are trying to tell me.
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    2018 IBC Section 1020 Corridors

    So do you think that if the corridor walls were supporting construction for the floors (and possibly vice versa) that would make the floors need to be rated, except for in type VB construction? I agree with that, but I think it is more clearly covered in other parts of the code. I am getting...
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    FHA Guideline vs ANSI A117.1

    AMNAL but it is my understanding that if you use a safe harbor code (which could be ANSI 2003 or ANSI 2009 you are still complying with the Fair Housing ACT (the law not the guidelines). The law says: The requirements of paragraph (3)(C)(iii) are: Theoretically, based on the above any state...
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    2018 IBC Section 1020 Corridors

    So would you agree that because here (and only here) it says "reduction in rating of the corridor walls..." would imply that the table is only about the walls and not the floors between corridors?
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    2018 IBC Section 1020 Corridors

    I am not sure if this applies here. The walls are fire partitions for sure, and have a rating of at least 30 minutes (we use a 1-hour UL-U311 for sound). This typically comes into play about the exterior walls and the interior load bearing walls. In VB these supporting construction walls do not...
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    2018 IBC Section 1020 Corridors

    I have the code with commentary. Based on this is "enclosure" walls, ceiling and floor? or just walls? The sentence "The purpose of corridor enclosures is to provide fire protection to occupants as they travel the confined path, perhaps unaware of a fire buildup in an adjacent floor area." makes...
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    2018 IBC Section 1020 Corridors

    Thank you for your input. I really appreciate it. I should have said that I was looking for what the intent actually was of this section, not some sort of work around or one-off solution.
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    2018 IBC Section 1020 Corridors

    I see that on Table 803.13 for a sprinklered building R-3 occupancy the finish rating is only required to be class C for a corridor (walls and ceiling). C is the least restrictive so I assume having NO finish would be acceptable (open framing and 5/4 planks like a wood deck for breezeway...
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    2018 IBC Section 1020 Corridors

    In the commentary Figure 708.4(2)(B) and (C) seem to be the two instances of fire partition continuity at corridors and both show some sort of rated floor/ceiling at a corridor. It does not show an exception if the level above is another corridor. It looks like neither situation would allow an...
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    2018 IBC Section 1020 Corridors

    OK, I get it, but this is risky as many AHJ do not accept engineering judgements. We do too many project per year in too many different jurisdictions. I need a robust code solution that will work in many jurisdictions, and not up to the whim of a code official. My actual question is simple: does...
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    2018 IBC Section 1020 Corridors

    Yes, I understand hat 708.4 is about the walls and fire partitions. My question is about 1020 and if it applies to corridor floor/ceilings as well.
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    2018 IBC Section 1020 Corridors

    What would I check there? The open ended corridor (breezeway) walls are similar to exterior walls but they are rated as a fire partition. We only have to be 30-minute rated (from each side) but we use UL-U311 for sound. My question is about the floor/ceilings of the breezeways. This is R3, VB...
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    2018 IBC Section 1020 Corridors

    We already have NFPA 13R sprinklers and this section of the code only has an exception for NFPA 13 sprinklers. Switching to NFPA 13 sprinklers is cost prohibitive and requires the inside of the floor/ceiling cavity and the attic to be sprinklered and many more heads. Not an option.
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    2018 IBC Section 1020 Corridors

    I had commented earlier on a different but similar question, but my situation is different so I am posting a new thread. Table 1020.1 has minimum fore resistance of corridors. I had a code official tell me that this applies to walls, ceilings, and floors of corridors. I agree with his...
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    NFPA 101 Grab Bar Conflict with ANSI

    I just got my copy of NFPA 101 with commentary and I see that statement and the picture with an example of how to install the vertical bar. The problem is that the vertical bar in their own picture is clearly not 9"-12" from the face of the tub. You can tell by counting the tiles. Also, the...
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    NFPA 101 Grab Bar Conflict with ANSI

    I also submitted this question on the NFPA forum and some one there (a plan reviewer) believes that the grab bar can be 9"-12" from either side of the exterior plane of the bathtub or bathtub-shower combination.
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    NFPA 101 Grab Bar Conflict with ANSI

    I am not hesitant to provide the additional grab bars just what to do with the vertical LSC grab bar at the tub/shower that crosses the horizontal grab bar (that is at either end of the tub/shower. How is this installed? Can the LSC grab bar be 9" -12" OUTSIDE of the face of the fiberglass surround?
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    NFPA 101 Grab Bar Conflict with ANSI

    The vertical life safety grab bar crosses the horizontal ANSI grab bar. In units that require both I am not sure what to do other than to install the LSC vertical grab bar 9"-12" outside of the fiberglass surround. I do not see where this is prohibited, but all pictures in the LSC show the...
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    NFPA 101 Grab Bar Conflict with ANSI

    I just became aware of the requirement for grab bars at tubs and showers that are in the Life Safety Code (NFPA 101) Section 30.2.1.3; Section 24.2.8. There horizontal grab bar requirement is similar to the lower horizontal bar in ANSI, but the LSC vertical grab bar is in conflict with the ANSI...
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