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  1. LGreene

    Location of label on fire rated door

    Yes, it's acceptable to put the label on the top of the door, although they are not as easy to read. Most fire door inspectors carry a mirror on a telescoping handle so they can look at the top of the door. Sometimes the label is there because the door has a continuous hinge that would cover a...
  2. LGreene

    Access Control/Card Readers - Code Requirements

    I don't know of a requirement for a pull station on the access side, but there are others in this group who will likely know more about fire alarm pull station requirements. I just wanted to chime in with a little more info on the locks...there are many electrified locks and electric strikes...
  3. LGreene

    Reinforced (non-FEMA Tornado) room door hardware

    Hi Aaron - I spoke with one of my coworkers who has a lot of experience with windstorm doors and hardware. His advice: The AHJ was correct to flag the 3 deadbolts...this is a setup for a FEMA 320 door, which is residential in nature. These doors would typically have latching hardware in...
  4. LGreene

    Hold open?

    Here is a recent article I wrote on this topic: https://www.locksmithledger.com/door-hardware/door-holders-electric/article/21164172/hold-on-how-to-hold-open-a-fire-door-safely From the article: For wall-mounted units, some coordination is required when selecting the projection of the magnet...
  5. LGreene

    Hold open?

    I'm sure the armature on a chain is not listed for this purpose...there are extensions available that can be purchased for the product and are listed as part of the assembly. Technically the product does not comply with the listing requirements.
  6. LGreene

    Fire Doors

    Hi Brendan - That's interesting...I've never seen that before. I checked the NEC and found a reference in that section to NFPA 99 6.7.5.1.2.4 (6), which says: The life safety branch shall supply power as follows: (6) Electrically powered doors used for building egress The question is - which...
  7. LGreene

    Type of controlled egress

    The IBC requires panic hardware in these locations: Swinging doors serving a Group H occupancy and swinging doors serving rooms or spaces with an occupant load of 50 or more in a Group A or E occupancy shall not be provided with a latch or lock other than panic hardware or fire exit hardware...
  8. LGreene

    Type of controlled egress

    This application is called an interlock or control vestibule, and you're right - none of the IBC sections apply, so each interlock has to be approved by the AHJ (or not). We have been trying to get something specific into the model codes to help AHJs with these doors, but so far we have had no...
  9. LGreene

    Do the buttons change the game?

    It seems like 2 questions have arisen here. Why are there 2 push buttons on each side of the door is an easy one to answer...California requires either high and low actuators or a vertical bar actuator. There is more about that here...
  10. LGreene

    California MagLocked Showroom Door

    Technically, the key-operated lock section only applies to something like a double-cylinder deadbolt. I don't see the mag-lock as much different in functionality with regard to egress, but the intent with the key-operated lock is that only someone with the key can lock it. With mag-locks there...
  11. LGreene

    Fire Door Two-Point Latching Options and Minimum Latch Points from Door to Frame

    Are you asking about single doors or pairs? Singles typically have one latch point. The most common applications for pairs are either vertical rod fire exit hardware on both leaves or flush bolts on one leaf and lockset/latchset or fire exit hardware on the other. There are automatic flush...
  12. LGreene

    Fire Doors

    An automatic operator can be installed on a fire door as long as the operator is listed to UL 10C. BUT - NFPA 80 requires the auto operator to be deactivated automatically if there is a fire, so no, a wheelchair user would not be able to use the auto operator during a fire. Here's the...
  13. LGreene

    Freight Elevator Lobby Issue

    I understand that 101 may not apply...I just wanted to share the upcoming change to the IBC. The 2018 IBC requires each elevator lobby to have a code-compliant means of egress, although some cities and states have modified the IBC to allow something similar to 101. The model codes require the...
  14. LGreene

    Fire Doors

    Here are a few references from NFPA 80-2016: 6.1.3 Operation of Doors. All swinging doors shall be closed and latched at the time of fire. 6.4.4.3 All single doors and active leaves of pairs of doors shall be provided with an active latch bolt that cannot be held in a retracted position as...
  15. LGreene

    Fire Doors

    Yes! What classicT said! :) This requirement is also stated in NFPA 80 - Standard for Fire Doors and other Opening Protectives. - Lori
  16. LGreene

    Freight Elevator Lobby Issue

    As long as it's a use group where delayed egress locks are allowed and all of the other criteria in the code are met, you can use a delayed egress mag-lock and a passage set. Passage sets don't lock, but they do latch as required for fire doors. So if someone didn't have a card or other...
  17. LGreene

    Fire Door Signage

    For all of the AHJs out there...I would like to know if you would approve signage on fire doors that meets the 2022 edition of NFPA 80, in jurisdictions where that edition has not yet been adopted. In a nutshell, the new standard allows slightly larger metal signs than the past editions, and...
  18. LGreene

    Fire Hoses

    I completely agree, but what confused me was the number of fire departments that started cutting up their fire hoses and giving them to the schools. There is a news story about it here: https://idighardware.com/2018/05/ww-old-fire-hose/, and this one has a photo of a bunch of little kids who...
  19. LGreene

    Fire Hoses

    Hello and Happy New Year! I have a rule against making New Year's resolutions, but I am going to make an effort to proactively share more info here rather than just responding to questions as they come in on this forum that I've been sponsoring for the last few years. I really value all of...
  20. LGreene

    door closers don't latch

    Or...do you need to have a closer? If the door doesn't have a closer and you are opening and closing it manually, it will meet the 5-pound requirement and will be latched by the firefighter closing it. - Lori
  21. LGreene

    door closers don't latch

    What type of gasketing have you tried to add? There are some that require less closing force than others, like this one: https://www.allegion.com.sg/en/products/commercial-security/mechanical-security/door-seals/door-seal-perimeter/8144-psa-silicone-batwing.html. Most door closers have several...
  22. LGreene

    Church Door

    Thanks for noticing! :) I'm here...just super-busy these days. When I get a notification that someone posted a door or hardware question, I try to answer.
  23. LGreene

    Church Door

    As long as the AHJ calculates the occupant load the same way you did, and it's less than 50 people, I don't know of a reason that the doors have to swing out.
  24. LGreene

    Church Door

    Are there fixed seats/pews or what is the area of the space?
  25. LGreene

    Church Door

    Hi Rev. Wayne - The door will need to swing out if it is serving a calculated occupant load of 50 people or more. How did you calculate the occupant load to come up with the number less than 50? - Lori
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