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ADA Compliant Restaurant Bathrooms

Discussion in 'Accessibility' started by fiasco, Jan 29, 2020.

  1. fiasco

    fiasco Registered User

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    I am doing autocad for a building expansion of my restaurant/bar. I am wanting to have open vestibules and I'm basing the design off of the following PDF.

    https://www.bobrick.com/wp-content/uploads/PlanningGuide.pdf

    For the open vestibules I am looking at diagram Fig 3c Open Vestibule on page 5 which lists a 32" minimum entry opening into the vestibule and 42" minimum width for the first turn. I am at a 42" entry opening and 48" for the first turn.


    I have linked my preliminary autocad drawing below. Yellow dashed rectangles/circles represent clear floorspace requirements (circle 60" turn radius, rectangle 30"x48" clear floor space). ADA required grab bars/ect are not on the print.

    I am open to suggestions or corrections!

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  2. e hilton

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    Are the red rectangles ... baby changers? In the womens room i would pull the sinks forward about 2 ft so the are not recessed so far.
     
  3. fiasco

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    Yes the red rect's are baby changers.
     
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    Nice CAD drawing !.....Easily understandable............For
    "agreed upon compliancy", ...I would include a compliant
    Turning Radius in each of the Accessible toilet stalls.


    Is one of the Urinals ADA compliant ?.......In the Women's
    Restroom, the Lav's seem "boxed in", while the Men's Lav's
    have more maneuverability.......Do the Women's Lav's provide
    sufficient Accessibility space.......REASON: Typically,
    women tend to spend more time at the Lav's & Mirrors.


    Just sayin'...

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  5. fiasco

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    This is actually a very good idea as it gives me a good place for an HVAC/Mechanical Chase. Done

    https://i.imgur.com/GgZMM8z.jpg
     
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    There is more than enough space in the ADA stalls for a free 60" turn radius. 30" x 48" free clear floor space is required by ADA and is represented by the dashed boxes around the lav's and the urinals.
     
  8. e hilton

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    If you need another small chase, you could chamfer the corners of the vestibule. Like the upper left corner of the womens room.
     
  9. ADAguy

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    be wary of urinal center lines adjacent to side walls longer than 24", 18" min. req'd; same with lavs.

    Don't forget to address accessory mounting heights and locations.
    Note that all dimensions are to "face of finishes", what is your wall finish to be?
    Must be smooth, hard and non-absorbent (as in water resistant) adjacent to urinals, lavs, & WC's.
     
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    Both side walls greater than 24" single side wall not a problem, at least that's my take.
     
  11. Builder Bob

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    What ICC ANSI is adopted in your region? SC required 67" turning radius - FYI
    Also different size water closet clearances are required for floor mount or wall mount water closets - use the larger clear space required and this won't ever be an issue.
     
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  12. Yikes

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    It is important to state what jurisdiction you are located in, and to make sure you are following all applicable codes, not just ADA. For example, in California we have added this requirement onto the usual ADA standards:
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  13. JPohling

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    Fully agree with the stipulation that the jurisdiction is extremely important to understand, but not sure what you mean about the CBC added requirement for 18" to CL from sidewall, as that has been in Chapter 11 for over 10 years.
     
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    I mean that it is shown in italics in the CBC, which means it was modified (added) beyond what normally appears in the same section in ADAS.

    The original poster only mentioned a Bobrick pdf and the ADA as possible sources of design standards. In that context, if his project was in California the 18" to CL would be an added requirement to his current sources for design standards.
     
  15. ADAguy

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    it says 17 - 18" in CA, not 18"
     
  16. Yikes

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    Please read the actual CBC excerpt for lavatories, shown in post #12.
     
  17. JPohling

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    Lav's not WC
     
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    Which is exactly my original point. The OP showed 5' for 2 lavs, and it graphically showed them evenly spaced with a 30"x48" space at the lav, such that both lavs were 15" from CL of wall. But if this were in CA, he would need 18" from CL of at least one lav, which is analogous to a 33"x48 chair space.
     
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