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ADA Excuses

jar546

jar546

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This is one of the reasons that litigation is the only way to get the attention of businesses who still ignore a civil rights law.

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That would depend on the history behind the original installation. When was this installed, what is the scope of work they are currently proposing? From the picture one can't determine if this is nonconforming but in the safe harbor.
 
In some countries its not. Would you deny those people their right to wipe has they choose?
 
I was there for an inspection related to a business license application. The bathrooms were recently renovated (without any permits). The women's bathroom door has a lever handle but as you can see, this has a knob. The excuse is that the men have broken three lever handles and the owner is tired of replacing them.

 
jar546 said:
This is one of the reasons that litigation is the only way to get the attention of businesses who still ignore a civil rights law.
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Can you post the link, rather embed it, my security program blocks embedded links
 
ICE said:
I was there for an inspection related to a business license application. The bathrooms were recently renovated (without any permits). The women's bathroom door has a lever handle but as you can see, this has a knob. The excuse is that the men have broken three lever handles and the owner is tired of replacing them.

I recommended a commercial grade door and hardware.
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Noncompliant signage on door, this sign is for a wall.

You are right on the knob, non compliant
 
mark handler said:
Noncompliant signage on door, this sign is for a wall.You are right on the knob, non compliant
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There ya go. Who would know this stuff if they didn't have to? What does a bathroom door sign look like? And why would it make any difference if this was on the door or the wall next to the door? Are two signs required, one for the door and one for the wall?

It's missing braille too. You can see all the smudgy fingerprints trying to find it. This is a pizza parlor after all.

The wheelchair icon is an insult too. How about a guy on crutches. It could be called a Bundy sign.

The sign is discriminatory. The standing man and the wheelchair man are separated by a wall. The standing man is in the shape of a man while the wheelchair man is reduced to a misshaped head. The message is loud and clear that the standing man is superior.

Are you just screwing with me? Is this another dog dish code?
 
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In CA and TXNo braille allowed on door sign

Braille required on wall sign

No figures on door sign
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Is a wall sign required to be at 42" in case the guy in the wheelchair is blind?

It's odd that the ADA regulations are so restrictive. It's perfectly understandable to not require braille on a door sign but I don't get why it's not allowed. And no figures on a door sign but I'm assuming they are required on a wall sign. What's up with that?

Seriously Mark, are you making fun of me?

I think I've discovered why we require floor drains in any restroom with a urinal.

It is so obvious that the ADA was written by the federal government. I was an inspector for work being done at a military base. The plans and specifications were amazing. There were 40 pages on how to handle concrete. I mean right down to wetting troughs.
 
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/97859466@N05/12413294975/ [/URL]
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They may be open to a lawsuit. The instruction says that braille isn't required but fails to warn that braille isn't allowed.

Here's proof that they forgot about the blind person that's in a wheelchair.

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/97859466@N05/12413299435/
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But hey, they remembered the person that reads braille with their nose.

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/97859466@N05/12413439843/
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I see the sign as discriminatory because it discriminates against the transgendered, we have a new law in California that mandates that the transgendered be allowed any restroom they want. I heard a guy (I say 'guy" since he talked in a young man's voice) on NPR saying that a transgendered person must be allowed to use any restroom he/she wants because he/she may feel like a woman when he/she gets up in the morning and put on a dress, but an hour later he/she may need to use the restroom and then her/she identifies as a man. When questioned he/she said that a transgendered may feel his/her identity change several times throughout the day.

What I am starting to see is new blue signs with both the male and female figures next to the wheelchair bound symbol. As to toilet heights when ADA first came out they mandated really high toilets that were uncomfortable to all, even the handicapped objected to them as being too high and some kind of compromise was reached about half way, I know it cost a lot of money to business owners to replace them twice, I had to replace several and I know how they bitched about the cost. As to the toilet paper holders, toilet paper is going out and being replaced by washlets, I went to washlets 25 years ago because of radiation damage to the colon, the last home I built had all washlets, the tree huggers want to eliminate toilet paper altogether. If no one has seen the new triple signs I'll try to take a picture of one when I go to lunch, they are all over here now.
 
That's the Family Friendly one. Unisex if you have curtain apes.

Transgender stuff is changing all of that anyway, sometimes you feel like youv'e got nuts, sometimes you don't.

Brent.
 
conarb said:
Here is a phone camera shot of the ADA signs I am seeing so as not to discriminate against anyone. View attachment 2271 I guess separating restrooms by gender is now a civil rights violation.
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Dick

There are violations with the sign starting with, That is a wall sign, not a door sign

Braille not observable

it appears to be mounted above the 60 imch centerline maximum
 
In that restaurant there are two adjoining rooms, at first one had the Mens' Room sign and the other the Ladies' Room sign, then both were replaced by these non-discriminatory signs. I also see baby changing wall hung facilities in both rest rooms.
 
mark handler said:
DickThere are violations with the sign starting with, That is a wall sign, not a door sign

Braille not observable

it appears to be mounted above the 60 imch centerline maximum
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I guess they better pay a few thousand dollars to some CASp to get it right so they don't get sued.
 
conarb said:
I guess they better pay a few thousand dollars to some CASp to get it right so they don't get sued.
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Or they can do nothing, be sued

OrTalk with the building Official and get free info

Or a knowledgable customer, like you, could give then some free advice
 
You mention 23 years in the video - that bathroom doesn't look like it has 23 years on it - so it's been renovated (at least cosmetically) a time or two. Plenty of opportunity to get it right.

My wife and I have made a game out of it on our travels - can we ever find a fully compliant bathroom in a gas station or convenience store on our route. Don't think we've found one yet...
 
Darren Emery said:
You mention 23 years in the video - that bathroom doesn't look like it has 23 years on it - so it's been renovated (at least cosmetically) a time or two. Plenty of opportunity to get it right. My wife and I have made a game out of it on our travels - can we ever find a fully compliant bathroom in a gas station or convenience store on our route. Don't think we've found one yet...
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He is not saying the restroom is 23 years, ADA has been the law of the land for 23+ years, and things are still noncompliant
 
Darren Emery said:
You mention 23 years in the video - that bathroom doesn't look like it has 23 years on it - so it's been renovated (at least cosmetically) a time or two. Plenty of opportunity to get it right. My wife and I have made a game out of it on our travels - can we ever find a fully compliant bathroom in a gas station or convenience store on our route. Don't think we've found one yet...
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It's the ADA Roadtrip Game.! Roll the dice...will your attorney be a 30th floor shark, or Saul on the bus bench?

Stop by all you favorite places. Destroy businesses, ruin lives!

The ADA Roadtrip Game is fun for the whole family! Feel superior helping those that won't help themselves! Roll for the big money and pass Go! For your government entitlement.

59.99 plus shipping and handling.

Man. My first million. Get on this ADA train.

Brent
 
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