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Anchor Bolt edge distance

ajweaver

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Here we have a lot of monolithic slab on grade foundations.

The anchor bolts are usually 6' o.c, within 12" from ends etc..

in compliance with 2006 IRC 403.1.6.....

Question:

Where can I find a mandated distance from the outside edge of the bottom plate, I do not see where code mandates anchor bolts to be centered in bottom plate, and sometimes the bolt is placed within 1/2" of the outside edge.

Is there a section applicable to this?

Thanks

Aaron
 
Anchor bolts with 1/2" edge distance are unacceptable for both the concrete and the wood.

When dealing with the IBC reference Table 1911.2.

The recommendations for The Simpson SSTB are only appropriate for that product. Note that the SSTB has a greater cover at the bottom than at the top of the footing.

The edge distances of 1.75 and 2.75 inches in ASCE 7 are basically saying you center the AB on the sill plate. For a 2x4 this is 1.75 inches and 2.75 inches for a 2x6.
 
The amount of cover required depends on a number of factors such as the specified anchor and the imposed loads.

Personally, I never spec embedded anchors for slab on grade if there is any way to avoid it because they interfere with placement and finishing of the concrete, require additional labor on the form work, and frequently require field fixes accompanied by finger pointing between the concrete sub and the framer - drill and epoxy is the way to go.
 
brudgers said:
The amount of cover required depends on a number of factors such as the specified anchor and the imposed loads.Personally, I never spec embedded anchors for slab on grade if there is any way to avoid it because they interfere with placement and finishing of the concrete, require additional labor on the form work, and frequently require field fixes accompanied by finger pointing between the concrete sub and the framer - drill and epoxy is the way to go.
Won't "Drill and Epoxy" always invoke the requirements for special inspection?

Bill
 
KZQuixote said:
Mark, To which question are you replying? Bill
Does the manufacturer installation guide comply with ASCE 7 for those of us that cannot afford or possess this reference?

I THOUGHT YOU COULD READ MY MIND
 
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I would require SI for drill and epoxy.. But if you can use Titans instead I wouldn't require SI.

Retrofit is a labor saver in a lot of cases.
 
the edge distance requirement (which is not less than 7 bolt diameters from each end or more than 12" ) is pretty clear in IRC R403.1.6 - 2006. The reason for the minimum set back from the plate edge is so wind or seismic forces dont pull the plate thru the anchorage. Further spacing of the anchor bolts is 6' after that.. but since most sill plates are not 40' long, the plate edge needs to be adhered to.. they will try to act independently. Minimum 2 bolts per plate.
 
peach said:
the edge distance requirement (which is not less than 7 bolt diameters from each end or more than 12" ) is pretty clear in IRC R403.1.6 - 2006. The reason for the minimum set back from the plate edge is so wind or seismic forces dont pull the plate thru the anchorage. Further spacing of the anchor bolts is 6' after that.. but since most sill plates are not 40' long, the plate edge needs to be adhered to.. they will try to act independently. Minimum 2 bolts per plate.
But Peach

It does not give the edge distance in the "other direction"....

We all know it should be centered on the plate, but it does not always work out that way

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Here we require that drill and epoxy be witnessed by P.E. with a report when finished. Some of the manufacturer's like Hilti and Powers require a very specific installation where you have to blow out the hole with a special hand pump. For example you must blow out three pumps, then brush, then blow out with two pumps and brush. Sounds bizarre but they it is not an approved installation without the exact procedure. Simpson has several straps that are approved for embedment in slabs. No P.E. required. Giddy up.
 
mark handler said:
ASCE 7-05Anchor bolt edge distance 1.75 inches or 2.75 inches, dependent upon sill plate
Mark,

I have never seen this in ASCE 7-05. What is the section. ASCE 7 primarily deals with design loads and has very few detailing requiremnts. The NDS has edge distance requirements for wood members that depend on the direction of loading. ACI 318 has edge distance requirements for concrete anchors (and small edge distances affect the anchors capacity).
 
Adhesive anchors are not addressed in the IBC (and I assume also the IRC) at present and thus use would require building official approval as an alternate per Section 104.11. When allowed special inspection would be reasonable requirement. Requiring that the inspection be performed by a PE is unreasonable. This inspection is essentially no different from other types of special inspections.

For the purpose of special inspection there is no technical reason to believe that a PE license is necessary.

I believe the detailing provisions of ASCE 7 occur in Chapter 14 of ASCE 7. IBC Section 1604.10 specifically excludes Chapter 14 of ASCE 7.
 
Phil said:
Mark,I have never seen this in ASCE 7-05. What is the section. ASCE 7 primarily deals with design loads and has very few detailing requiremnts. The NDS has edge distance requirements for wood members that depend on the direction of loading. ACI 318 has edge distance requirements for concrete anchors (and small edge distances affect the anchors capacity).
Phil

I do not have a copy, the note is from my structural engineers general notes.
 
HERE IS SOMETHING FROM THE WEB

http://www.seaoc.org/bluebook/sample_pdfs/1204030_AnchorBoltsLightFrame_smpl2.pdf

SEAOC Blue Book – Seismic Design Recommendations

Anchor Bolts in Light-Frame Construction at Small Edge Distances

Article 12.04.030 Page 3 of 8 June 2009

www.seaoc.org/bluebook

changes to the anchor bolt design methodology. Since issues with the old values were not apparent, the need for substantial change was puzzling.

Testing

The primary goals of the SEAOC Anchor Bolt Test program were to:

1) Determine whether the wood connection yielding controls the connection capacity when loaded parallel to an edge and if the equations found in each material standard are good predictors of behavior.

2) Determine whether the connection exhibits ductile behavior.

3) Propose rational design capacities for the connection.

It was decided to test the 5/8-inch diameter bolts since they are representative of most medium and heavy duty shear

wall applications. While much residential concrete construction is specified at f’c=2500 psi, in-service concrete is expected to experience some strength gain over time. For this reason, a range of 2500 to 3000 psi was specified for the test concrete compressive test. In actuality, the highest compressive test cylinder result was 2710 psi. As also detailed in the SEAOC “Report on Laboratory Testing of Anchor Bolts Connecting Wood Sill Plates to Concrete with Minimum Edge Distances,” the tests included two unique features. First, the effect of friction was isolated on half of the tests by providing a lubricated polyethylene membrane at the wood-concrete interface. This allowed the contribution of friction to be better understood from the test data. Second, impact-echo testing was conducted during the test to continuously monitor the status of delamination that developed in the concrete that may not have been visibly apparent. Aside from these unique features, every effort was made to test materials representative of the most common shear wall connections.

The independent variables tested were:

Item Configuration Tested

Sill plate size 2x4, 3x4, 2x6 and 3x6

Anchor bolt edge distance 1.75 inches or 2.75 inches, dependent upon sill plate

Testing protocol monotonic versus pseudo-cyclic

Wood-concrete interface condition friction versus “frictionless” membrane

To properly generate test data for the purpose of assessing behavior, a new displacement based loading protocol was

developed. Using data from an initial set of monotonic pull tests, cyclic tests were calibrated so that damage produced by the test would best represent actual in-service failure modes. For the new protocol, the SEAOC Seismology Committee used a hybrid approach essentially taking the CUREE protocol with additional cycles added at low load levels. Independently, the SEAOSC sequential phased displacement (SPD) loading was used on several tests to compare results.

Findings

The first result to note was that the monotonic tests were an accurate predictor of the elastic performance characteristics exhibited in the cyclic tests. Once the anchors were loaded to approximately 5000 pounds, the anchors slowly started to exhibit some plastic behavior as further displacement occurred. The frictionless membrane applied under the length of sill plate had a minor effect at small displacements within the elastic range. For loads in the range of design values, which were well within the elastic range, there was little difference between the pseudocyclic, monotonic, and sequential phased displacement test results.

Second, the test showed that fastener fatigue was not a limit state influenced by any of the various loading protocols.

This is an important observation since it limits the area of concern to the strength of wood and concrete elements tested.

http://www.seaoc.org/bluebook/sample_pdfs/1204030_AnchorBoltsLightFrame_smpl2.pdf
 
The structural engineers in California realized that when you calculate AB capacity in concrete that you got very low values. They then organized a testing program that resulted in the SEAOC Blue Book position Mark Handler quoted. Sections 1908.1.9.1 and 2305 of the California Building code got modified to reflect these recommendations. The low calculated AB concrete capacity would not be a concern if bolt sizes and spacings were explicitly defined in the IBC or IRC.

As Mark Handler pointed out there are aids to insure that the ABs are properly located. While not always perfect the California contractors typically do a fairly good job of locating anchor bolts. It is normal practice here to require ABs be in position prior to pouring of the Concrete.

While there is no special inspection requirements in the IRC, Item 3 of Table 1704.4 effectively requires placement of anchor bolts before placement of concrete.

The Simpson mudsill anchors are not appropriate if there is any significant wind or seismic loads.
 
We try and avoid special inspection so we accept having to work around the A.B.'s; We use the templates shown up the thread and on the plans have to note that all hold downs will be in place at the time of foundation inspection. Don't know if it's called out in the codes but using the templates help ensure that for a 3-1/2" plate the edge distance will be 1-3/4" (which is usually the minimum for cover on a lot of the Simpson products we use) and so forth as the plates get wider. We set the J bolts with the end going in towards the inside of the footing. One thing about coming back and drilling and using the correct epoxy, the uplift values are increased.
 
for the same reason as keeping the bolts from the ends, they need to be centered if possible since not all forces will be imposed from the direction parallel to the plate. Not enough meat on the plate, the plate will pull thru the bolts.
 
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