does ansul fire suppression system trigger building to have fire alarm?

[syarn]

2009 IBC

3100 sf, 1 story building;

restaurant use (A2);

no existing fire alarm or fire sprinkler system.

renovation is adding a grease producing char broiler so a type 1 hood with ansul system is being installed.

does a fire alarm system (per section 903 or 904) now also have to be installed to monitor the ansul system?

 

[BSSTG]

Greetings,

Short answer is no. But why is there no sprinkler system? It sounds like it may be needed depending on the occ load.

BS

 

[cda]

No ..........

 

[syarn]

thx u.

calculated an occupancy load of 89 persons back in 2009 during a previous renovation....

 

[BSSTG]

Greetings,

Sounds like your good to go. I do em all the time like that for taco shacks and the like.

BS

 

[Coug Dad]

NO is it not required unless a fire alarm system is provided per NFPA 96 Section 10.6.2.

 

[chris kennedy]

I just wired one up last week, no system F/A but this hood had a stand alone horn/strobe. H/S required by code?

 

[cda]

Maybe local???

CK

Is the bell inside the building or out???

If inside who is going to hear it when the building is closed???

 

[FM William Burns]

Not if the panel cover on the control actuator shows (Armed/Fired - Green/Red). I believe "where provided" the system can be connected to the building system. (little late and just read others...nice to see consensus at work

 

[fireguy]

NFPA 72 requires the system trip the fire alarm,but only if already equiped with a fire alarm.

 

[syarn]

thx u all.

 

[Truck3capt]

Not if the panel cover on the control actuator shows (Armed/Fired - Green/Red). I believe "where provided" the system can be connected to the building system. (little late and just read others...nice to see consensus at work

I know this is resurrecting an old post but I'm not having any luck. I've got a small restaurant with a hood suppression system and no required fire alarm. If I'm understanding you correctly the panel cover just needs to indicate if the system is armed or has fired? I know we've had inspectors in the past require a single horn/strobe for systems where the building didn't require a FAS but had a hood suppression system. I just can't find any codifying language that seems to require it. There is nothing in our local requirements but I know some jurisdictions require it.

 

[cda]

No fire alarm required or bell or,,


Unless you are talking paint booth


Thank jack in box or whatever fast food place, they have a hood system but no fire alarm/ normally

 

[Truck3capt]

No fire alarm required or bell or,,


Unless you are talking paint booth


Thank jack in box or whatever fast food place, they have a hood system but no fire alarm/ normally

Yep. It's typically the small fast food joints. I did notice some language in NFPA 17A that seemed to require something if the actuator is electronic and there is no visible way to determine if the system is charged/armed as WB noted above.