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handicapped upgrade of toilets in Michigan

Vlab20

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We are designing a 8000 sf addition to an existing hospital and remodeling a small portion of an existing department that is adjacent to the expansion. All new construction will have accessible route, toilets etc. There is a toilet in the remodel area that is NOT ADA accessible. Michigan has a slightly altered IEBC code and they have removed some verbiage that required a 20% of construction dollars needs to go into updating accessibility in the existing building. Does Michigan have a code requirement to spend dollars on accessibility in other areas of their existing building?
 
I can’t answer your question but I can ask one of my own…Are you allowed to use the word “handicapped” in the Midwest?

Handicapped is all inclusive and banned in most places.

Californians appreciate specificity. For example “mobility challenged”, “vision or hearing impaired”, “intellectually deficient”.
 
The ADA will still require upgrades to accessibility in the altered area (ADASAD 36.403(a) (e) & (f)). ADASAD 216.8 will allow existing non-accessible restrooms to remain as long as there is directional signage to accessible restrooms. The hospital could be sued if the non-accessible restroom is the only one that can be used by people in that department.
 
I can’t answer your question but I can ask one of my own…Are you allowed to use the word “handicapped” in the Midwest?

Handicapped is all inclusive and banned in most places.

Californians appreciate specificity. For example “mobility challenged”, “vision or hearing impaired”, “intellectually deficient”.
Allowed to use the word "handicapped" ? Never heard of anyone having any issue with the word. My issue covers all challenges...vision, mobility, auditory, ALL things covered in the Americans with Disability Act = handicapped.
 
The ADA will still require upgrades to accessibility in the altered area (ADASAD 36.403(a) (e) & (f)). ADASAD 216.8 will allow existing non-accessible restrooms to remain as long as there is directional signage to accessible restrooms. The hospital could be sued if the non-accessible restroom is the only one that can be used by people in that department.
Thanks for that feedback.
 
My experience, including at Access Board hearings and as a member of the ANSI A117.2 committee since late 90s, use of the term "handicap" is definitely frowned upon. Deaf, gimp, cripple, mute, etc. are also not terms I would use. The is some movement to replace the word disabled, or at least limit it to persons with disabilities. It's a matter of respect for me. You can use whatever terms you choose.
 
Mute and deaf are frowned on? What’s next … can’t say male or female? Wait … california is already there.

Seriously … gimp, crip, retard and others are unquestionably wrong. Deaf and mute are medical terms.
 
Hypothetical scenario, which makes more sense?

Man walks up to a greeter station in a bank, hands the clerk a piece of paper: “The bearer of this document (he/him/his) is impaired and considered handicapped by the state of California. Please use an acceptable alternate form of communication in order to interact with he/him/his.”

… or …

”I am deaf”.
 
Your assumption that someone who can't hear also can't talk is right at the heart of this and why people with hearing impairments don't like the terms deaf and dumb, draft mute, etc.
 
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