jpranch
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jar546
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We need more people with these type of projects going on or planned. Probably the issue. I have heard of at least one project that I did where they decided not to go green because of costs.
We need more people with these type of projects going on or planned. Probably the issue. I have heard of at least one project that I did where they decided not to go green because of costs.
Code Neophyte
Silver Member
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No need to feel alone - there are no "real" discussions about this in the new ICC "Green Community" either, which I find surprising, given that it's been given such a high level of importance and focus of late.
No need to feel alone - there are no "real" discussions about this in the new ICC "Green Community" either, which I find surprising, given that it's been given such a high level of importance and focus of late.
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I don't know what there is to be surprised about. As an architect I nor the companies I worked for were asked to make a "green" or "lead" project. As a plans examiner, of 1.5 years, I have yet to see a "green" or "lead" project cross my desk. The architects I do know that started on any of these types of projects have all told me that their clients change direction soon after finding out the cost disadvantage of going that way. Sure long term may add up but the bottom line has to be met today, not 20 years from now when the lifecycle costs can be factored in as a net gain.
I don't know what there is to be surprised about. As an architect I nor the companies I worked for were asked to make a "green" or "lead" project. As a plans examiner, of 1.5 years, I have yet to see a "green" or "lead" project cross my desk. The architects I do know that started on any of these types of projects have all told me that their clients change direction soon after finding out the cost disadvantage of going that way. Sure long term may add up but the bottom line has to be met today, not 20 years from now when the lifecycle costs can be factored in as a net gain.
vegas paul
Silver Member
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I have reviewed several LEED projects in my area. All city, state, and county projects are required to be LEED Silver, minimum, so our new city hall, police command center, library, etc. all meet/exceed the criteria of LEED Silver. It's one of the reasons I got my LEED AP designation, so I could understand what they were doing!
Additionally, several private projects (office buildings, hotel/condo/casino) have chosen to bee LEED certified, including the first LEED Platinum project that I have seen. Pretty interesting, but expensive.
I have reviewed several LEED projects in my area. All city, state, and county projects are required to be LEED Silver, minimum, so our new city hall, police command center, library, etc. all meet/exceed the criteria of LEED Silver. It's one of the reasons I got my LEED AP designation, so I could understand what they were doing!
Additionally, several private projects (office buildings, hotel/condo/casino) have chosen to bee LEED certified, including the first LEED Platinum project that I have seen. Pretty interesting, but expensive.
chuckmiller
Member
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I find it interesting that most (not all) LEED projects are government projects (city, state or fed) paid for by taxpayers whether they like it or even understand LEED or not.
Typically I find that there is a pay off somewhere, politicians and cronies first then maybe 20 years down the road the extra cost to the building.
I find it interesting that most (not all) LEED projects are government projects (city, state or fed) paid for by taxpayers whether they like it or even understand LEED or not.
Typically I find that there is a pay off somewhere, politicians and cronies first then maybe 20 years down the road the extra cost to the building.
jpranch
Platinum Member
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Look, "green" is nothing new under the sun. Different name different time, repackaged. We all have been doing "conservation" for a long time. 3.2 toilets, high % furnaces and cooling, better R-values, etc... The green sceen as presented by the icc and many others including the feds (same) is same old same old. Wow! Have you all seen all the jobs created by this? Not. This too shall pass. Ya, just like a kidney stone. :lol:
Look, "green" is nothing new under the sun. Different name different time, repackaged. We all have been doing "conservation" for a long time. 3.2 toilets, high % furnaces and cooling, better R-values, etc... The green sceen as presented by the icc and many others including the feds (same) is same old same old. Wow! Have you all seen all the jobs created by this? Not. This too shall pass. Ya, just like a kidney stone. :lol:
atomahutna
Bronze Member
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Our city council passed a resolution to give expedited plan reviews to all LEED projects. The certification cost can be around $30,000 so mostly only bigger projects are doing it. The smaller guys say they rather invest that money in the actual efficiency or "greeness" of the building .
Tom
Our city council passed a resolution to give expedited plan reviews to all LEED projects. The certification cost can be around $30,000 so mostly only bigger projects are doing it. The smaller guys say they rather invest that money in the actual efficiency or "greeness" of the building .
Tom
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The biggest problem, I've seen, with the LEED certification is in the on-going required maintenance (recycling, being one thing)... a smoking station within 25' of the entrances being another.. all LEED certified buildings start out as green... but may not end up that way.
Had a builder (who did a LEED platinum historic renovation) say to me .. "go LEED.. plan to bleed"... it's expensive to do.
Having said that (and I'm not LEED-AP so I don't know if USGBC does this).. there needs to be a re-certification plan.
We've seen a lot of green building practices incorporated on projects that make them really good energy efficient buildings.. the developer just can't (or won't) pay USGBC for the LEED sticker.
Still a perfectly good, nice building.
The biggest problem, I've seen, with the LEED certification is in the on-going required maintenance (recycling, being one thing)... a smoking station within 25' of the entrances being another.. all LEED certified buildings start out as green... but may not end up that way.
Had a builder (who did a LEED platinum historic renovation) say to me .. "go LEED.. plan to bleed"... it's expensive to do.
Having said that (and I'm not LEED-AP so I don't know if USGBC does this).. there needs to be a re-certification plan.
We've seen a lot of green building practices incorporated on projects that make them really good energy efficient buildings.. the developer just can't (or won't) pay USGBC for the LEED sticker.
Still a perfectly good, nice building.
jpranch
Platinum Member
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Leed. What a crock. And that goes for the entire iecc. (international energy cash cow) We just installed a new roofing system on our 3 story office building. Black membrane changed to white. Wow! Threre is a revelation! Increased the R-Value 4 fold with additional foam board. Guess what? The snow stays. Even in the sun. We did not have a blower door or thermal image done. No consultants or other "green" (puke) professionals. But we did increase the energy efficency of the building! Good golly, a little planing with common sense without spending outrageous amounts of money gets the job done.
Leed. What a crock. And that goes for the entire iecc. (international energy cash cow) We just installed a new roofing system on our 3 story office building. Black membrane changed to white. Wow! Threre is a revelation! Increased the R-Value 4 fold with additional foam board. Guess what? The snow stays. Even in the sun. We did not have a blower door or thermal image done. No consultants or other "green" (puke) professionals. But we did increase the energy efficency of the building! Good golly, a little planing with common sense without spending outrageous amounts of money gets the job done.
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There are a lot of good building practices out there to produce a great energy efficient building; and there are options out there besides USGBC - LEED certification. However, they are the "big dog" and the LEED certification is what every building owner will eventually be looking for.
For residential best practices, I'd contact Patty Rose at GreenHomes. She has a vast library of knowledge (you can't believe).. and she's a truly amazing professional (the 2 latest editions of Washington Business Journal have profiled her and her efforts).
There are a lot of good building practices out there to produce a great energy efficient building; and there are options out there besides USGBC - LEED certification. However, they are the "big dog" and the LEED certification is what every building owner will eventually be looking for.
For residential best practices, I'd contact Patty Rose at GreenHomes. She has a vast library of knowledge (you can't believe).. and she's a truly amazing professional (the 2 latest editions of Washington Business Journal have profiled her and her efforts).