Is the month to talk about Accessible Parking spots.

[tbz]

So here is the million dollar question?

• Working on a county owned parking lot.
• as you exit the building to the rear parking lot, pretty much all the immediate parking spaces are assigned to Judges, commissioners, higher up employees, you get the picture.
• They are going to be repaving the lot and it will require new line striping
• We also need to add (1) Van Accessible spot to the existing lot, as there is only one designated spot now, non-van and there are 32 spots in the lot.
• Currently the existing ADA compliant spot is on the other side of the reserved higher up employee spots, but before the average employee reserved spots.

So do the ADA spots bump a reserved spot, or just the spots that are for the general employee use.

Additionally, note that mon-fri the lot is only for employee parking, no others may use it.

however, on Saturday and Sunday, the lot is open to the public to park in.

 

[steveray]

Strictly under the building code, you are not likely to HAVE to upgrade anything....If you are putting in a new spot, it would comply as new and be "closest to the entrance " or whatever it actually says...(nearest practical?)

 

[RLGA]

IBC Section 1106.7 states "[a]ccessible parking spaces shall be located on the shortest accessible route of travel from adjacent parking to an accessible building entrance."

 

[mtlogcabin]

however, on Saturday and Sunday, the lot is open to the public to park in.

But the county building is not. Should the accessible parking be located close to the public sidewalk since it is an employee parking lot 5 days a week?

I would put one accessible spot in the immediate parking area of the employee entrance and exit therefore you would have one available for an employee who may need one on a temporary basis (injury). The rest near the public sidewalk.
If an employee needs a permanent accessible spot, I think that would fall under a reasonable accommodation request.

 

[steveray]

1105.1.4 Restricted entrances. Where restricted
entrances are provided to a building or facility, at least
one restricted entrance to the building or facility shall be
accessible.

 

[ICE]

ADA has been with us for over thirty years and there is debate on where to place accessible parking stalls??? One would think that every possible configuration has been adjudicated....set in stone so to speak.

 

[tbz]

Thanks everyone, I bounced this back and forth and we did split the locations, one close to the public street access and left the existing one in place.

Though it is not the closest spot, it is the closest spot that the parking space is along the most accessible compliant path.

The other slightly closer locations are too steep in pitch and for drainage reasons with just a new wear coat going on, they are not even feasibly close to being within the budget for the sitework that would need to be done.

 

[Mr. Inspector]

We never have required a permit for repaving a parking lot. The PA-UCC has exceptions for permits in 403.42 (c) that include (vi) painting.

 

[mark handler]

We never have required a permit for repaving a parking lot. The PA-UCC has exceptions for permits in 403.42 (c) that include (vi) painting.

Repaving is not painting.
Repaving could alter the water flow; could, as in this case, alter the Accessibility.
Both should require permits.

 

[Msradell]

Repaving is not painting.
Repaving could alter the water flow; could, as in this case, alter the Accessibility.
Both should require permits.

That's probably true in California but in most other places repaving/restriping of private parking lots does not Req a permit.

 

[Mr. Inspector]

As a inspector in PA for almost 20 years I never saw a permit required for resurfacing parking lots.

 

[steveray]

Connecticut...

(Amd) 105.2 Work exempt from permit. Exemption from the permit requirements of this code shall not
be deemed to grant authorization for any work to be done in any manner in violation of the provisions of
this code or any other laws, statutes, regulations or ordinances of the jurisdiction. Permits shall not be
required for the following:

Building:
1. One-story detached accessory structures used as tool and storage sheds, playhouses and similar
uses, provided the floor area is not greater than 200 square feet (18.58 m²).
2. Fences, other than swimming pool barriers, not over 7 feet (2134 mm) high.
3. Oil derricks.
4. Retaining walls that are not higher than 3 feet (914 mm) measured from finished grade at the bottom
of the wall to finished grade at the top of the wall, unless supporting a surcharge or impounding
Class I, II or III-A liquids.
5. Water tanks supported directly upon grade if the capacity does not exceed 5,000 gallons (18 927
L) and the ratio of height to diameter or width does not exceed 2 to 1.
6. Sidewalks, driveways and on-grade concrete or masonry patios not more than 30 inches (762 mm)
above adjacent grade, not requiring guards, and not over any basement or story below and which
are not part of an accessible route.

 

[mark handler]

Connecticut...

(Amd) 105.2 Work exempt from permit. Exemption from the permit requirements of this code shall not
be deemed to grant authorization for any work to be done in any manner in violation of the provisions of
this code or any other laws, statutes, regulations or ordinances of the jurisdiction. Permits shall not be
required for the following:

Building:
1. One-story detached accessory structures used as tool and storage sheds, playhouses and similar
uses, provided the floor area is not greater than 200 square feet (18.58 m²).
2. Fences, other than swimming pool barriers, not over 7 feet (2134 mm) high.
3. Oil derricks.
4. Retaining walls that are not higher than 3 feet (914 mm) measured from finished grade at the bottom
of the wall to finished grade at the top of the wall, unless supporting a surcharge or impounding
Class I, II or III-A liquids.
5. Water tanks supported directly upon grade if the capacity does not exceed 5,000 gallons (18 927
L) and the ratio of height to diameter or width does not exceed 2 to 1.
6. Sidewalks, driveways and on-grade concrete or masonry patios not more than 30 inches (762 mm)
above adjacent grade, not requiring guards, and not over any basement or story below and which
are not part of an accessible route.

Does not say parking lots
Also, how do you make sure the Accessible parking stall meets code?

 

[steveray]

A parking lot is a driveway.....And I measure it...

 

[Msradell]

Does not say parking lots
Also, how do you make sure the Accessible parking stall meets code?

That's easy in Kentucky, you don't! I called the local building officials about a new restaurant that when in where they actually put a parking space in front of the ramp. They told me "it was good on the drawings which we approved, we don't check that in the field"!