Lavatories in adjacent locker room?

[georgia plans exam]

Hello all, been awhile. Section 405.3.2 of the 2018 IPC requires that the lavatories be located in the same room as the water closets. I'm reviewing a plan for a gymnasium where they are located in the adjacent locker room. No door between the toilet/shower area but, clearly designated as separate rooms. Any thoughts?

Thanks, GPE.

 

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[bill1952]

If there were no labels on the drawings noting them as separate rooms, would they be separate? Just seems if you can walk from one to the other and they can't be closed off one from another, it meets the intent.

 

[georgia plans exam]

Well, it's not just the labels or the lack of doors. Each room has a different function. The lavatories are a part of the sanitary facilities and the locker room is for getting dressed. (Also for snapping towels at each other, it is a high school, after all.)
Thanks, Bill1952. I hope to get some more opinions.
GPE

 

[bill1952]

My point was are they really different rooms ? Seems it is all in what use to be called the Locker Room.

I see a "standard" design for McDonalds restroom is a full height wall and solid core door in a hollow metal frame and passage latch set for the toilet. Sure seems like a separate room, but obviously allowed.

I checked, but did not find a definition for room in IBC. I guess I'm in violation for putting lavs. in the dressing rooms for a theatre and separate toilet rooms (since the lav is needed for make-up as well as washing hands after using the toilet).

 

[north star]

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GPE, ...how are the rooms "clearly designated", ...by design
only ?.........Are there any room numbers ?........Is there a
Room Finish Schedule in the plans ?..........Is there anything
in the plans that is defining the "separate" rooms \ areas ?

It sounds like it is one large, "different use" room \ space.

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[fatboy]

By your reasoning, a lot of restrooms are illegal.

Think of convention centers, airports, DIA has all the toilets/urinals in one half, you walk around an elbow, and you are in another "room", but you are not, it is the same restroom. I've been in casinos, hotels, same design.

I think you are splitting hairs.

JMHO

 

[georgia plans exam]

Yes, north star, different room numbers and room names. Room finishes are about the same. I don't want to split hairs but, I can't ignore the code section.
I have not made a final decision yet.
GPE

 

[bill1952]

Georgia - I feel like what your looking at in a plan is much different than what some of us "see". any chance of a glimpse?

 

[georgia plans exam]

Can't do it, Public High School.
GPE.

 

[bill1952]

Copy that. I just can't explain why I see it all as one space and one room, just like a kitchen might have a salad area, the cooking strip, and a washroom - still just one room. Have you calculated occupancy loads and egress for each separate area?

 

[ADAguy]

best practice is to separate wet from dry

 

[north star]

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GPE, ...thanks for the updated info...........I would cite the
applicable Code Section or Sections to the RDP's, and request \
require a revised set of plans.........See what their response is.

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[bill1952]

In an era of hand drawn plans, I'm guessing it would have been labeled as one room - Locker Room - but CAD and BIM make it more difficult to attach the various and multiple finishes, fixtures, etc. to a single room.

 

[georgia plans exam]

Good news, the RDP opted to move the lavatories into the bathrooms.

GPE.

 

[north star]

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GPE,

Thanks for the update !

Now, ...about you becoming a "paid contributor".
I am encouraging you to become a Sawhorse to
this "most excellent" Forum.

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