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number of showers for health club

Discussion in 'Commercial Plumbing Codes' started by linnrg, Aug 10, 2015.

  1. linnrg

    linnrg Sawhorse

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    Does anyone have a guide for determining the number of shower stalls for a health club? facility will include weights, tracks, zumba, excercise equip, etc. no pool.

    We have a unusual reference to the table 29A of the 1997 UBC but I can argue for newer versions.

    Current UPC does not include showers in their tables

    I am dealing with a facility that is around 22,000 sf
     
  2. north star

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    $ ~ $ ~ $

    linnrg,

    What is the Occupant Load for your application ?

    $ ~ $ ~ $
     
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    I believe from another thread on here that UPC uses it's own fixture count tables that are different from egress OL numbers, but I don't have the UPC..
     
  4. linnrg

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    depending upon the developers decision the Occupant load could be at the low end 300 and the high end 411 if he develops all of the space into the health club.

    So yes the UPC has a table (4.1) but refers the occupant load from the "building code". Each code does not mention the number of showers except under residential types of occupancy's. The IPC gets its fixture table from chapter 29 of the IBC and somewhat similar but here in Alaska the State has a direct reference to the table 29-A as printed in the UBC 1997. Our plumbing is UPC not IPC.

    Yes the UPC does use the same occupant load but I have not found the shower requirements under the IBC, the UPC or the older UBC so I was looking to see if anyone had similar issues and how well they worked it out.
     
  5. mark handler

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    Dressing rooms and Showers are not required in health clubs. That is why they are not in the tables. But if you have them they must be accessible.
     
  6. north star

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    # : # : #

    linnrg,

    I looked in the `09 UPC & the `09 UBC, and you are correct........There is no
    requirement to use them, however, as **mark handler** has pointed out, if
    you DO have them, then each shower must Accessible & equipped as such.


    While the Occ. Load may be between 300 and 411, do you; or the developer,
    have a realistic number of persons that might actually be using the facility
    at any given time [ i.e. - peak use times ] ?


    I have no basis for using this number, but 1 per 50 might be a place to start.
    That would be 6 - 9 Accessible showers, ...maybe even less if the AHJ

    will "sign off" on the number.


    Not much help I know, but it is a start.........Maybe someone else will chime in
    with some real world experience.


    # : # : #
     
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    If there are no building code/plumbing code minimums to go by, you might check with the Health Dept.? I know nothing about Alaska, but here in the Peoples Republic of IL, the Dept. of Public Health is into everything... I'm sure they've got a standard for just this occasion. And if they don't, they'll be happy to make one up just as soon as you call them.
     
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    How many are they showing???
     
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    I Agree with Mark they are only required for over night occupancies, and where workers might be required to shower. If installed at least one each sex must be accessible.
     
  10. north star

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    + = = +

    While Showers are not required by the building & plumbing codes per se',
    ...they might be by the Health Dept........Plus, they ARE a marketing
    feature for the customers.


    = + + =
     
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    The developer has not yet shown a locker room layout. He was asking me what the minimum was - thus my discovery. At present he has a smaller health club and is in the process of building a larger club. He is wanting to have some showers for customers choice and to have his club be the best. I agree with the Acessiblity issue.

    Thanks North Star. 1 per 50 would generate 4 or so per sex. I think he is thinking in the range of two or three
     
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    Does everyone have trouble typing into the reply box - I get a serious lag and making corrections takes a second to show up sometimes - also the system can log you out if you don't perform fast enough Using Chrome
     
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    Being both an Architect and a Building Official, I would use 10% as a good starting point. Figure 400 occ. equals 40 lockers, and 40 lockers equals 4 showers. If you figure a 50/50 split, that 2 showers for each sex. But that seems a little low, so I think I go back to 4 for each. A lot of it depends on how the facility is used, how many of the customers use the showers rather than going home to clean up? You may have more that shower there, so the number will need to go up. Hope this helps.
     
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    Met with the developer and he stated that he was thinking of three or four each for male/female. He wants to upscale his business versus the competition and talks in terms of fancy but we will wait to see what they come back with.
     
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    Does the place have a swimming pool or sauna??
     
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    no on the pool or sauna
     
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    This is a "best Practices/performance issue". If to be a high end facility then more is better than less.

    Check out some golf course locker rooms to see how many showers are typically provided.

    Lastly, as previously noted, "if provided", at a minimum one of each must be accessible.

    How are you addressing sexual idenity facilities?
     
  18. linnrg

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    Up here in Alaska we define sexual identity by the size or presence of the horns/antlers.

    To date no discussion about sexual identity facilities has occurred that I know of but will not be surprised when it becomes an issue.

    So just recently the wife and I was at an outdoor concert for 4 days. She was complaining about the long lines at the restroom and I told her that lots of women just went into the men's past us standing at the trough urinals to grab a stall. So does that solve the problem as long as the stalls are properly sized and the quantity is correct?
     
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    whats a sexual identity facility?
     
  20. JPohling

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    Only if you want to be placed on the sex offender list.
     

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