Pocket Door: Accessible Privacy Latch

[Fort]

I had this come up at a site inspection where they are installing a fitting room at a retail store in CA.

So, accessibility per CBC 2010, Ch. 11B.

And it has a pocket door. No problem there.

They were smart and installed a bumper to hold the door out of the cavity enough to have a proper pull handle.

Like this: http://www.johnsonhardware.com/images/pdf/handicap_acc.pdf

So the issue is how to provide an accessible privacy latching mechanism.

This is as close as I can find:

http://www.doorware.com/site/product.cfm?id=10503

You see that it is a deadbolt, but it "grabs" into the strike.

The only problem is the throw is slightly recessed, and does not appear to pass the test of "tight grasping, pinching, or twisting."

If the throw was larger, more of a "paddle" or lever it just might work.

Any ideas?

Some folks may recommend this:

http://www.trimcobbw.com/door-hardware/products/door-pulls-and-grips/1069.asp

A paddle thing from TrimCo, but that is not necessary since the door will never be fully pushed back into the pocket.

 

[Fort]

A better look at that Kwikset product:

http://www.kwikset.com/Products/Details/Accessories/335-15.aspx

I wonder if that throw could not be replaced with a larger paddle...farmer idea.

 

[cda]

Have seen this, do not know if it will work in your scenario

http://www.hangingdoorhardware.com/pocketdoors/adapocket.htm

 

[Fort]

Have seen this, do not know if it will work in your scenariohttp://www.hangingdoorhardware.com/pocketdoors/adapocket.htm

I think this is the general thing one would find, but it is not actually a privacy latch, since the tilting action is done from both sides of the door...

 

[Fort]

See what I mean about the Trimco product, anyone from either side of the door can "unlock" it...doesn't provide real privacy.

 

[cda]

Stanley???

http://www.shoplinkz.com/p/Stanley-PD250-62-PD250-62-US3-Deluxe-Pocket-Door-Pull-40-4040

 

[Doorman]

Let's just get it over with: ADA compliance and pocket doors do not go together. Period. Privacy and pocket doors do not go together. Period. A review of the hardware referenced so far illustrates that. A Baldwin 8500 is about the best pocket latch, but I am pretty certain it isn't compliant.

UNLESS... just how big of a project is this (budget), and how involved do you want to get with it?

Is there no other option? One fitting room cannot be a swinging door?

 

[AegisFPE]

Consider Trimco 1074-2 with thumb turn on inside and key lock on outside. If it works, it would probably be cheaper than the first alternative that came to mind: an electric mag lock and release system.

 

[TheCommish]

do all the fitting rooms have to be accessable? if in a bathroom here in Mass. all the bathroom stalls do not have to be accessable just a certian percentage or atleast 1, why should all the dressing rooms in a group have to be accessable.

 

[mark handler]

do all the fitting rooms have to be accessable? if in a bathroom here in Mass. all the bathroom stalls do not have to be accessable just a certian percentage or atleast 1, why should all the dressing rooms in a group have to be accessable.

"...at least 5 percent, but no fewer than one...."

 

[Fort]

Only one here. So it's gotta be accessible as Mark states.

That Trimco 1074-2 looks pretty cool, seems like there could be more products like this.

 

[Fort]

Stanley???http://www.shoplinkz.com/p/Stanley-PD250-62-PD250-62-US3-Deluxe-Pocket-Door-Pull-40-4040

So they must be claiming accessible because it is just up and down motion, not twisting, but does seem to involve pinching...hmmm

 

[LGreene]

Accurate Lock makes sliding and pocket door hardware (and lots of other products), and I'm sure they can make a thumbturn or release mechanism that would be accessible, especially since the door doesn't have to slide all the way into the pocket.

http://www.accuratelockandhardware.com/catalog/07_pocket.pdf

 

[Francis Vineyard]

Would you accept mounting a sliding patio door security bar on the pocket door stile; with the door closed drop the bar into the holder attached to door frame; lift the bar into the retainer to unlock and open the door?Francis

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[cda]

maybe rig a door latch::::

http://www.hardwaresource.com/hinges/GATE+HINGES+AND+HARDWARE/Gate+Latches+-+Gate+Locks/Gravity+and+Spring+Latches+for+Gates/Drop+Bar+Latch%2C+Solid+Bronze

does the code require a privacy lock?????????????????????????

 

[Francis Vineyard]

cda good idea; perhaps similar to those hook and loop found on screen doors but oversized for accessibility. To save space the handle assembly can be mounted on the wall instead of the door.Francis

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[Doorman]

Trimco 1074-2. Now THAT is pretty cool!

I see that with a 36" pocket door, it becomes non-compliant again: Door projects 3-7/8" from pocket at full open, plus the 1/2" or 5/8" stop at bumper jamb leaves 31-1/2" clear.

I also see it's U.L. listed... I wonder what for?

 

[cda]

Trimco 1074-2. Now THAT is pretty cool!I see that with a 36" pocket door, it becomes non-compliant again: Door projects 3-7/8" from pocket at full open, plus the 1/2" or 5/8" stop at bumper jamb leaves 31-1/2" clear.

I also see it's U.L. listed... I wonder what for?

Possibly medical use, saw them at an assisted living home, the state wanted the doors to latch

 

[cda]

Ok ok ok

Use a combo of

http://www.hangingdoorhardware.com/pocketdoors/adapocket.htm

And on the inside

Use something that the person would drop down and hook the handles

Looking something like this, but latch on the other side of the handle so door cannot be opened

http://www.inspectpa.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1356&d=1338165334

 

[cda]

Or

http://www.crown-industrial.com/frames/Graphics/1025.gif

 

[cda]

Can you rig a hotel room door lock;;

http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/85699/85699,1219955378,1/stock-photo-close-up-of-security-lock-on-motel-or-hotel-room-door-16874026.jpg

 

[LARMGUY]

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[Francis Vineyard]

I also see it's U.L. listed... I wonder what for?

I'm curious too . . . fire & panic hardware; is there one for door hardware per ICC/ANSI A117.1 404.2.6?

Is what being suggested any less compliant than latches and lever handles in restrooms?

Francis

 

[Doorman]

Is what being suggested any less compliant than latches and lever handles in restrooms?

Many of the suggested latches are compliant with Title III. However, the function of a privacy latch in a public dressing/changing room is to provide privacy, and still be operable from the outside without special tools in the case of some trouble inside the dressing space (medical issue, for example). The circumstance of a curious child simply lifting the Trimco latch would be a problem... probably not in a retirement home setting, but in a busy department store?