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Minimum width between fixture and toilet compartment?

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Kroner19

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Morning,

I'm currently reviewing an Educational Facility using the 2020 BCNYS.

Does anyone know a code section regarding the min. width required between a fixture and the entrance to a toilet compartment? Please see pic below. I don't like this layout, but can't seem to find anything in the code that prohibits it. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Kroner19 said:
Does anyone know a code section regarding the min. width required between a fixture and the entrance to a toilet compartment?
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I don’t know the New York code but I’ll share some thoughts from the IBC and A117.1.

I’d compare this with two things:
1. Minimum width of an accessible route (A117.1-2017 403.5.1.)
2. Minimum width for an aisle per IBC 1018.8 which points to 1005.1 (required capacity based on occupant load) and 1020.3 (minimum width to match that of corridors.)

I’d also confirm if you have to provide door maneuvering clearances. Doors for wheelchair accessible stalls and ambulatory accessible stalls (A117.1-2017 604.9.3 and 604.10.3, respectively) must comply with Section 404 which requires door maneuvering clearances. Considering the doors to the standard stalls by the lavatory are part of the circulation path I would assume they should also be provided with door maneuvering clearances.

Also, confirm the minimum accessible stall size required, it’s larger than 60”x60” in A117.1-2017.

The door into the 3’ wide ambulatory stall is shown taking the entire width of the stall, it’s allowed to be 32”.

Regarding your dimension strings, they should put a big, bold note that those are clear dimensions, there’s a chance this part of the restroom will be framed too narrow if the contractor assumes the dimensions are to face of framing.
 
I would assume egress requirements would trigger here (so Chapter 10). If someone's in the stall, they need to be able to egress from it.

I don't believe accessibility requirements applies here since the stall isn't accessible.
 
arwat23 said:
I would assume egress requirements would trigger here (so Chapter 10). If someone's in the stall, they need to be able to egress from it.

I don't believe accessibility requirements applies here since the stall isn't accessible.
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Correct....if it were:

604.9.3​

Wheelchair accessible toilet compartment doors, including door hardware, shall comply with Section 404. The door shall be self-closing. A door pull complying with Section 404.2.6 shall be placed on both sides of the door near the latch. Wheelchair accessible toilet compartment doors shall not swing into the required minimum area of the compartment.

Exceptions:

  1. 1.Outside of the compartment, where the approach is to the latch side of the wheelchair accessible toilet compartment, door clearance between the door side of the compartment and any obstruction shall be 42 inches (1065 mm) minimum.
  2. 2.Within the wheelchair accessible toilet compartment, maneuvering clearances at the door shall not be required to comply with Section 404.
  3. 3.In an alternate wheelchair accessible toilet compartment, the door shall be permitted to swing into the stall where a clear floor space complying with Section 305.3 is provided within the stall beyond the arc of the door swing.
 
Thank you all. I'm going to go with Walker's suggestion and have the arch. maintain min. 36" width for aisles per 1018.5 and 1020.2 BCNYS.
 
LR419 said:
I'm reading it as 60"x56" or 60"x59" depending on the water closet type. Am I missing something?
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Just keep in mind that the sizes in 604.9.2.1 assume that 8” of toe space is provided under the front partition and one of the side partitions, if not the depths must be increased by 8”, see 604.9.5.1.
 
e hilton said:
They have the stall, top left, but it’s not 60” deep.
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Actually, it is. The room is dimensioned as 15'-4" wide. The stalls on the right are 5'-0" deep. Add 1-inch for the partition, then 5 feet for the turning circle (which is drawn tangent to the partitions), then another inch for the partitions, and you're left with 5'-2"
 
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