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    Sprinkler debate

    From what I understand the fire guy from Tennessee, Shane Ray I believe, is basically advocating that firefighters are idiots for entering any building that is on fire when they know that no one is in the burning building. Based on response times and how long the fire was burning prior to a fire...
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    Please help with ideas for ICC BB

    The whole ICC website is a mess. I have given up on it for everything except posting CEU's. It would take a team of horses and eye candy on each horse to get me to go back.
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    non required elements

    If it is not required it can be whatever.
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    NAHB's Influence on the IRC

    It is the unnecessary "stuff" that is added to the code under the guise of health, safety and welfare that drives many crazy. Green building, fire sprinklers, 90% of Simpson product line and the list goes on. Well built and affordable are both possible and contractors that are NAHB members do a...
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    NAHB's Influence on the IRC

    Ewenme is on the right track. Stainless steel sink, no dishwasher but a place for one in the future, no finished basement(screw the energy code), small two stall garage(20 x 20), vinyl windows and siding, one full bathroom with rough-in for additional in basement, 2-3 bedrooms and any interior...
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    NAHB's Influence on the IRC

    The influence of NAHB is at best minimal. They have no votes when it comes to voting for code adoptions. If we, the ones doing the actual voting, are convinced by the arguments they make on a code issue we have no one to blame but ourselves. I am more deeply concerned by the fact that we have...
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    OSHA Cites $156K in fines to business in my jurisdiction...........

    No OSHA bs for me!! Nothing good can come of getting involved in that mess.
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    Did they Know this before Mini Soda Vote?

    So the fire people advocated introducing a chemical to fire sprinkler systems without testing what occurred when a fire set the system off?!!! My new found confidence in the fire service overwhelming---not!! They are either idiots or ---not quite honest.
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    Sprinkler debate

    FMWB, Why would they not collect this info? Anytime you make a significant addition to the code, such as adding smoke detectors, wouldn't you want to have accurate data as to their effectiveness? If over the next 10, 15, or 20 years if we do not see a significant reduction in fire related...
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    Did they Know this before Mini Soda Vote?

    Do you really think the fire service folks would be so unethical and immoral as to slide this through without disclosing ALL the info? I mean after all these are the same people who routinely spike their wages right before retirement and screw Joe Citizen. I am sure NFPA and the sprinkler...
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    Homeowner Fired Contractor..Homeowner Wants to Secure Permit Can They????

    Only push the issue if you know you will win. Just because you are in front of a judge doesn't mean he isn't sympathetic to the citizen. The last thing you want is to lose or even have the judge rule in your favor with a token fine. If you don't win decisively, you lose.
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    Sprinkler debate

    Thank you FMWB. I would not ask for you to be overly specific for the reason you mentioned. Were these all in the same jurisdiction? I am just a little confused by your answer format. Obviously it doesn't take much :) . RJJ; I try not to fall prey to the emotionalism that goes with "if we only...
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    Sprinkler debate

    Why is it so difficult for those in favor of sprinklers to answer a simple question? 1). Of all the homes in your jurisdiction that were built in the last 30 years, how many have had a fire related death occur? I am not interested in your imaginery events of may/if something happens. What are...
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    Sprinkler debate

    Yeah his material is great if you are looking for biased info in favor of residential fire sprinklers. Nevermind that what has occurred in the last 30 years is a clear indication that fire sprinklers will have virtually no effect on deaths in dwellings for several generations.
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    Sprinkler debate

    It really should not be much of a debate. Make the sprinkler advocates answer the following question, 1). Of all the homes in Sitka that were built in the last 30 years, how many have had a fire related death occur? Watch them try to not answer the question. They will come up with all kinds of...
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    TWO STUD CORNERS or why NAHB LOVES THE NEW ENERGY CODES

    Without exception the "new" engineered framing techniques are substandard and doomed to failure over the long haul. All you have to do is look at homes built in the post WWII building blitz to see what is being proposed today as "green building" is just recycled, substandard crap. And I believe...
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    Good convincing arguments against Residential Fire Sprinkleres

    Amazing. This thread was started as "Good convincing arguments against RFS" and gets hijacked into the old debate about how great RFS are. If there was an interest in debating RFS in general, the NFPA lemmings should start a separate thread that encourages discussion from both camps. Enhanced...
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    Truss to Interior Wall connection

    If the computer spit it out as OK the engineer stamping the truss details is not about to let his coffee get cold while "reviewing" the plans. He will check snow loading if applicable and wind speed zone and its a done deal.
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    '09 energy code

    Minimal energy costs are incurred by not insulating a basement. While I despise ResCheck, I will use it as a reference point. Typically I have seen where basements need only an additional R-2 to R-5 to be compliant with ResCheck. Obviously the cost/benefit ratio of insulating to such a minimum...
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    '09 energy code

    Insulating the outside of the foundation works great---until the termites infest the wood framing because they were able to enter undetected from below grade up behind the exterior foam insulation.
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    '09 energy code

    mtlogcabin, You are deluding yourself if you think you can compare your utility bills to anyone elses and have an apples for apples comparison. The only way to have a somewhat legit comparison is to build identical floor plans side-by-side and have a tightly controlled utility use for each...
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    '09 energy code

    In order to maintain smoke and flame spread requirements installation of sheetrock is a virtual necessity. Which in turn gets the electrical inspector all twisted up about having outlets every 12 ft. Some jurisdictions have accepted foil faced foam sheathing while assuming it will remain in...
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    '09 energy code

    Min&Max Finally. Someone else has seen the light. We are pretty much doing it like you and JPRanch except we are closer to what you describe. If ICC members and NAHB members would stop casting each other as enemies of the construction industry maybe we could get some actually beneficial things...
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    Good convincing arguments against Residential Fire Sprinkleres

    First you need to establish a need for fire sprinklers in residential dwellings. Since the inception of required smoke detectors in residential dwellings, how many deaths have you had in your jurisdiction in homes that were equiped with working smoke detectors? You will probably have to gather...
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    uhm.... I've never seen this.

    TimNY "@min&max: on more than one occasion common sense and the code don't jive. My take on the matter is the code prevails." If the code and common sense do not jive I will go with common sense every time. Just because a bunch of us get suckered by the likes of Simpson and NFPA does not mean...
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