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    Define this space:

    You just confirmed they are now using the IBC as their base document, which was my point. Thanks for confirming it in your usual jacka$$ of a way.
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    Define this space:

    Thank you! That sounds like a great way to slow down development . . .
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    Define this space:

    Would someone please explain where NFPA 101 comes into play in the conversation? I thought the FL codes were derived from the I-Codes. Have they created some sort of a hybrid?
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    Fryer to open flame appliance clearnace

    Cool. Still seems like an amendment would be much easier to avoid a 102.8 conflict. If an AHJ lets a single, specific reference bring the whole standard into play, things would get messy awfully fast. If lack of clearance is a documented problem, I wonder why clearances aren't either in the...
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    Ammunitions Storage Room at a Sherriff's Facility

    From USC Title 18, Chapter 40: the term “explosive” means gunpowders, powders used for blasting, all forms of high explosives, blasting materials, fuzes (other than electric circuit breakers), detonators, and other detonating agents, smokeless powders, other explosive or incendiary devices...
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    Fryer to open flame appliance clearnace

    Thanks! Just checked the reference, and it seems NFPA 96 is only applicable in the IMC when used to except out a Type I or II hood for down-draft exhaust systems (Section 507.2, exception). If that's the case, the clearances referenced above still wouldn't be enforcable. Correct? I'm not...
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    Ammunitions Storage Room at a Sherriff's Facility

    It's covered in both the IFC and NFPA 495. From the IFC: 3306.2 Prohibited storage. Small arms ammunition shall not be stored together with Division 1.1, Division 1.2 or Division 1.3 explosives unless the storage facility is suitable for the storage of explosive materials.
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    Define this space:

    There's a roof. I'd say that closes it at the top (vertically). Atrium separation (horizontally) is something different. Unless the FBC is dramatically different from the IBC, I don't think you need smoke control or horizontal separation for an atrium that only connects two stories. It's an...
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    Ammunitions Storage Room at a Sherriff's Facility

    It certainly does, but I'm not sure I understand the point you're trying to make. We still have 2703.1.1 dealing with explosives generally, and 3306 dealing with small arms ammunition specifically. Help me out!
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    Ammunitions Storage Room at a Sherriff's Facility

    50 lbs of explosive. To me, this is a case of a specific provision (IFC 3306) trumping a general requirement (IFC 2703.1.1). The "public safety regulation" language in NFPA 495 is what lets the IFC further restrict storage in M and R occpuancies as seen in 3306.4 & 3306.5. If you let the...
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    Fryer to open flame appliance clearnace

    FWIW - NFPA 96 is not a referenced standard in either the IFC or the IMC.
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    Mixed use

    Cool. I have several big churches in my jurisdiction with similar rooms for youth groups. As indicated above, there's no problem with using different OL factors for different areas of the same room based on use. Code doesn't require any differentiation between them as long as exit access is...
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    Do Firehouses need a form of fire suppression on hoods or not?

    None of our fire stations have commercial cooking appliances, so no Type I or II hoods are required (or installed). Most were built before sprinklers were required in R occupancies, and don't have them. Those where sprinklers were required have them. As for any fire department trying to avoid...
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    Mixed use

    Assembly areas without fixed seats are calculated based on net floor area per the table. FLOOR AREA, NET. The actual occupied area not including unoccupied accessory areas such as corridors, stairways, toilet rooms, mechanical rooms and closets. I don't know that I'd allow a DP designated...
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    Festival seating in a convention center

    Fire alarm? Emergency voice/alarm communications system? Other method for notifying occupants of an emergency? 1. Tell them the concert will not proceed without AHJ approval. Period. It's much easier to explain the rationale of disallowing it to an angry promoter than it is to explain dead...
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    Thermal expansion

    I'm only familiar with the concept of providing for expansion on closed systems containing water heaters. I've not seen a jurisdiction require it on all closed systems as you describe.
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    No building codes?

    I doubt it, conarb. While Rand's grand-standing is impressive, it isn't based in fact. His party is no less responsible for everything he decried than the opposition party is. For instance, the vote to eliminate incandescent light bulbs passed overwhelmingly in congress with support of both...
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    No building codes?

    Can we all back up for a second? Some of you are acting like it is a violation of the code for a homeowner to heat and cool as they see fit. Nothing in the section on programming the thermostat makes it a violation for the homeowner to do whatever the hell they want. It says "initially...
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    Notification Appliances???

    How old is the system, and how many sprinkler heads? There used to be an exception to monitoring for systems with 100 heads or less. You'd put a sign on the outdoor notification appliance that said "Call Fire Department when Alarm Sounds" (or something similar).
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    install a smoke detector in the ceiling above the fire panel??

    Request, or require? For the '09 IFC, the referenced standard is 2007 NFPA 72. If the building is fully sprinklered, exception 2 would apply: 4.4.5* Protection of Fire Alarm System. In areas that are not continuously occupied, automatic smoke detection shall be provided at the location of...
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    No building codes?

    I acknowledged energy codes collectively as an example of "nannyism" above. The general public has an expectation that their house is insulated to a minimum level without having it considered to be an upgrade. I believe the code should address this issue, but the requirement for...
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    No building codes?

    Out of thousands of code sections, we've had a few really good and specific examples of "nannyism". We've also had a few examples of things that seem to defy common sense, but aren't necessarily "nannyism". There has to be a lot more than this if anyone expects to make a convincing argument...
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