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    Under 50 occupants second exit requirement

    I think I'm confusing common path with travel distance. The front door is the exit discharge, so, with no non-accessory intervening rooms, you measure directly to the farthest point for travel distance? In this case, that would mean 200'. Is that how my thinking is off?
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    Under 50 occupants second exit requirement

    What's causing this whole thing is the usual situation: my client does does not want to have the second front of house door be an exit - it currently isn't signed or labeled in any way from the last tenant's identical use and the last building permit was from the early 1980s, and all plan's on...
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    Under 50 occupants second exit requirement

    That's the question. We do not know whether both front and back of house are one space, or whether the FOH is considered separate from the back for purposes of determining egress requirements.
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    Under 50 occupants second exit requirement

    I appreciate you pointing that out. We have not submitted yet. I've had to deal with existing restrooms with many bad layout and tight spaces over the years, and I'm still surprised sometimes that local inspectors permit retention of egregious ADA non-compliant restrooms - what I worry about...
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    Under 50 occupants second exit requirement

    Thanks Yankee - that radius is the kind of small detail that can make a difference in some situations. It's always emphasised that you must assume obstructions (furniture, etc.) in most situations, so you square off the path, but from now on I'll at least follow your suggestion and radius the...
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    Under 50 occupants second exit requirement

    I assumed that both the front of house and back of house would be considered one space - if that's the case, then the longest common path for one exit is 86'. You can't exit through a kitchen, so it can't be the second exit, and if the 86' requires two exits, then the FOH second exit is...
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    Under 50 occupants second exit requirement

    Portland, OR I’m attempting to figure out egress for a new café/donut shop going into an existing cafe's space. The occupancy works out to 48 people with A-2 occupancy in the dining area and Business in service areas and in the kitchen. Non-sprinklered, VB construction. There is currently only...
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    Hub drain for three basin dish sink

    Portland. I've never had any projects in Beaverton, but when a client first contacts me and I find out they are in Portland, I sigh and know to estimate half-again as much for my design time. While I know every jurisdiction has it faults and particularly difficult staff, I've never encountered...
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    Hub drain for three basin dish sink

    Thanks ICE, that's the ticket!
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    Hub drain for three basin dish sink

    Good suggestion on the door - I guess the question too is, would that wall be valuable to hang mops or brooms or workers aprons... We are relocating the door from the restroom because the toilet can't meet ADA in its current location so we have options on the door swing. The floor slab is...
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    Hub drain for three basin dish sink

    Thanks for the reply. I assessed the drain size to be 2" just looking down on it. So, I'll say I consulted an official (maybe a fib, but it could save the owner lot of extra work). I had wrote about this job previously on this forum after the owner raised the slab on the kitchen side (it was...
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    Hub drain for three basin dish sink

    We are designing a new cafe in an existing unoccupied food service tenant space The building owner is removing and replacing the slab in the commercial kitchen room. We are planning to put sinks in the existing now empty kitchen and there are no existing below floor drain pipes on the kitchen...
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    Clearance for Commercial Kitchen Hood

    Wanted to report that the tenant (with a little help from me) talked the owner into removing the raised slab and putting in a slab level with the rest of the building - what a relief!
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    Clearance for Commercial Kitchen Hood

    Thanks for the feedback Walker, This is a kitchen for employees not open to the public. Do you think the ADA applies? Good call on the cables - we are removing everything and putting in new conduit and installing new FRP. The owner-baker wants all conduit run along the ceiling (for looks) and...
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    Clearance for Commercial Kitchen Hood

    Oregon OMSC 507.4.1 Hood Size and Location I cannot see in the code where there is a minimum height of a commercial kitchen hood above the floor. I'm working on a new bakery in an existing kitchen space, and the owner pulled out the old concrete slab that had a 1/2" slope (used to be a car...
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    Tiny Sleeping Space Code Issues

    Thank you Yikes. I think you've assessed the situation very well (from your own AHJ point of view) and what you are saying makes sense. I've already advised the Owner to take off the door and let the chips fall where they may at inspection. I'll add that he should also remove the mattress...
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    Tiny Sleeping Space Code Issues

    I've never been pressed to interpret this before, but, I would imagine it's a 7' diameter circle - that would eliminate any extra conditional language, such as measured perpendicular to... This reminds me of designing winder stairs - the 9" requirement (Oregon IRC) on the 12" walk line makes...
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    Tiny Sleeping Space Code Issues

    Do you know what in the code defines a space as a storage space?
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    Tiny Sleeping Space Code Issues

    I think treating the entire space as one room is good point generally - again, I'm not sure what defines a space as a bedroom per se. With no wall/door separating the second level, then you are saying it's not a bedroom (is bedroom defined in the code?), but it can, with proper window and stair...
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    Tiny Sleeping Space Code Issues

    Here's how you get around code minimum sleeping space requirements: I searched for the Airbnb listing for the "Treehouse" I'm posting about here, and it looks like the owner has taken it down for now. I did a general search for Portland treehouse Airbnb, and came up the this -...
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    Tiny Sleeping Space Code Issues

    Thanks for the reply. We know we can't make the argument that is a habitable room. I thought that Yikes may have been pointing out some other criteria - say, for a loft classification.
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    Tiny Sleeping Space Code Issues

    Here in Portland, Oregon, we have a lot of Craftsman era houses that were originally single story with an unfinished attic under a bungalow style low-sloped roof. People later converted those to finished bedroom spaces. When you attempt any major modifications to the house, the City calls out...
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    Tiny Sleeping Space Code Issues

    The space below meets all egress requirements, as does the Loft - the spiral stair is the minimum width for egress. Making the Loft plus the Crow's nest one space would be the argument as to why a bed should be allowed as is. I'm curious where the 7' horizontal dimension comes from - is that...
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    Tiny Sleeping Space Code Issues

    In this case, the short section of spiral stair to the Crow's Nest is code compliant for egress. In referring to sleeping lofts, I was merely pointing out that the room otherwise met the current requirement for a sleeping loft as defined in the IRC Appendix P. What I'm not sure about is, can...
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    Tiny Sleeping Space Code Issues

    Do you know in the code whether a room for sleeping needs a door? Again, I'm looking at this as a niche off the room. Since people make sleeping niches, those interpreting the code must know when such a niche breaks the threshold and becomes a separate room. What is that threshold in your...
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