Not a requirement on churches and private clubs....and access/egress doors not required to be accessible.rooster said:Thanks Bob. I've been specifying it on every project since that review but it's been awhile and I couldn't remember where it was. I go to Kawneer's website and their standard bottom rail is 6-1/2". How can this be the standard if the code doesn't even allow it??? Anyhow...I won't get started.
Unless they rent out space, to the public, for meetings and private parties.Papio Bldg Dept said:Not a requirement on churches and private clubs....and access/egress doors not required to be accessible.
...or child care services open to the public?mark handler said:Unless they rent out space, to the public, for meetings and private parties.http://www.inspectpa.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-4399.html?
Is it being run by the church.... No.Papio Bldg Dept said:...or child care services open to the public?
No it wasn't run by the church...and yes there was a lease agreement to a non-church affiliated group. We required only that portion of the church serving the child care program to meet the accessibility standards. Thankfully the church had attempted to meet those requirements originally and very little needed to be modified.mark handler said:Is it being run by the church.... No.Are they leasing space to a non chruch group...Yes.
Thanks, but most of the projects this comes up in are commercial where the storefront entrance must be accessible.Papio Bldg Dept said:Not a requirement on churches and private clubs....and access/egress doors not required to be accessible.
That worksPapio Bldg Dept said:We required only that portion of the church serving the child care program to meet the accessibility standards.
After reading this thread I went to ANSI and confirmed the requirement, looked at a couple projects and went Ruh-roh, went to Kawneer and spotted additional available 'standard' bottom rails that include a 10" high option.rooster said:Thanks Bob. I've been specifying it on every project since that review but it's been awhile and I couldn't remember where it was. I go to Kawneer's website and their standard bottom rail is 6-1/2". How can this be the standard if the code doesn't even allow it??? Anyhow...I won't get started.
BY Federal ADA not required, in unammended IBC referencing A117.1 churches and private clubs do require accessibility.Papio Bldg Dept said:Not a requirement on churches and private clubs....and access/egress doors not required to be accessible.
Also required in CA.Frank said:BY Federal ADA not required, in unammended IBC referencing A117.1 churches and private clubs do require accessibility.Ammendments are common IE Virginia excludes accessibility to raised and lowered areas used exclusively for the performance of religious ceremonies.
Allowed with automatic doors....rooster said:... Kawneer's website and their standard bottom rail is 6-1/2". How can this be the standard if the code doesn't even allow it???
I wouldn't worry...I'm pretty sure pyramids are exempt.imhotep said:After reading this thread I went to ANSI and confirmed the requirement, looked at a couple projects and went Ruh-roh, went to Kawneer and spotted additional available 'standard' bottom rails that include a 10" high option.
The link that I originally posted is no longer working. Here's the correct link:LGreene said:It is included in the new ADA guidelines, previously it was just in A117.1. There's a post about it on my blog.
That only applies to all-glass doors with no vertical stiles, right?JPohling said:Most every jurisdiction near me allows a 4" bottom rail with a taper to the glass on hurculite type doors.