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Do I use the 6awg ground to both water and ground rods
Thank you Sirraider1 said:Nope, for the water pipe you need to use a #4 for a 200 amp service based on a 4/0 aluminum service entrance conductors from Table 310.15(B)(6) and using Table 250.66.The GEC or bonding jumper run to the ground rod is not required to be larger than #6 based on 250.66(A).
Chris
Because they don't have to take a test to go to work.peach said:Why, or why don't designers and contractors get the concept that the EGC is not the same as the GEC (or that the EGC needs to be upsized if they use aluminum feeders rather than copper)?
Actually the equipment grounding conductor is sized based on the overcurrent protective device protecting the circuit conductors.peach said:you can use a #6 GEC for a 4000 amp service... it's the EGC that needs to be sized based on conductor size... the two serve 2 different purposes..One is grounding.. one is bonding..
UB... I think it was Lee Trevino who said that..
You might want to consider that.Span said:I have no problem with T250.66 grounding electrode conducotir, but never enforce water main and gas pipe bonding to follow this table.
250.104 Bonding of Piping Systems and Exposed Structural Steel.(A) Metal Water Piping. The metal water piping system shall be bonded as required in (A)(1), (A)(2), or (A)(3) of this section. The bonding jumper(s) shall be installed in accordance with 250.64(A), (B), and (E). The points of attachment of the bonding jumper(s) shall be accessible.
(1) General. Metal water piping system(s) installed in or attached to a building or structure shall be bonded to the service equipment enclosure, the grounded conductor at the service, the grounding electrode conductor where of sufficient size, or to the one or more grounding electrodes used. The bonding jumper(s) shall be sized in accordance with Table 250.66 except as permitted in 250.104(A)(2) and (A)(3).
You should follow Table 250.66 for the bond to the metal water pipe as well.Span said:Chris, very true as your quo on 250.104. Exposed metal frame I'll follow T250.66.For interior metal pipe such as water pipe and gas pipe I'll ask for#6 bonding, because they serve as any interior metal pipe which might become
energized by contact with electrical wire have a solid grounding path.
span
Really? so if they change from copper to aluminum, they can still use a #10 EGC.. if it worked for copper? I don't think that's what the code says.. bigger aluminum (and we see a lot of this value engineering).. carries more potential fault than the copper sized for the same breaker, right?raider1 said:Actually the equipment grounding conductor is sized based on the overcurrent protective device protecting the circuit conductors.An equipment bonding jumper on the line side of a service or the main/system bonding jumpers are based on the size of the conductors.
Chris
Peach, Equipment grounding conductors are sized based on Table 250.122 based on the size of the overcurrent protective device protecting the conductors.peach said:Really? so if they change from copper to aluminum, they can still use a #10 EGC.. if it worked for copper? I don't think that's what the code says.. bigger aluminum (and we see a lot of this value engineering).. carries more potential fault than the copper sized for the same breaker, right?