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3M fire caulk comparison.

chris kennedy

chris kennedy

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I'm trying to determine the acceptable applications for two products. I see small differences in the descriptions but they have different UL listings. You may well know my application is fire-stopping conduit penetrations in floors and walls. Can I use either of the following products?

pdf1 pdf2

Thank you.
 
You will have to look at the listing to see where and for what each of these can be used as a penetration seal.

Without the actual listing I would have no idea what are allowed uses.
 
At a glance, looks like both are good for up to 4-hours, I'm sure depending on installation details which aren't listed on the data sheets. What is your issue?
 
fatboy said:
What is your issue?
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I'm old, underpaid, married, can't see or hear, cloths dryer just took a crap, Marlins have lost 6 in a row, my fascia needs replacement, the iron workers drank my last bottle of water today, and I have been using the UL 90G9 caulk forever with no problems but the case at the shop now is the UL 8R57. Just want to make sure I won't have an "issue" when I use it. :)
 
And I wasn't being sarcastic Chris, just wasn't sure what your specific question was......really. You are a sharp dude, you don't post BS. Just checking.
 
Here are the UL Listings for the two products:

For the FD 150+:

http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/showpage.html?name=XHEZ.WW-D-0096&ccnshorttitle=Through-penetration+Firestop+Systems&objid=1081357440&cfgid=1073741824&version=versionless&parent_id=1073995580&sequence=1

For the CP 25WB+:

http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/showpage.html?name=XHEZ.C-AJ-0004&ccnshorttitle=Through-penetration+Firestop+Systems&objid=1074338246&cfgid=1073741824&version=versionless&parent_id=1073995580&sequence=1

http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/showpage.html?name=XHEZ.C-AJ-1044&ccnshorttitle=Through-penetration+Firestop+Systems&objid=1074338340&cfgid=1073741824&version=versionless&parent_id=1073995580&sequence=1

http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/showpage.html?name=XHEZ.C-BJ-1020&ccnshorttitle=Through-penetration+Firestop+Systems&objid=1074339403&cfgid=1073741824&version=versionless&parent_id=1073995580&sequence=1

http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/showpage.html?name=XHEZ.C-BJ-2002&ccnshorttitle=Through-penetration+Firestop+Systems&objid=1075466991&cfgid=1073741824&version=versionless&parent_id=1073995580&sequence=1

http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/showpage.html?name=XHEZ.C-BJ-3016&ccnshorttitle=Through-penetration+Firestop+Systems&objid=1074339440&cfgid=1073741824&version=versionless&parent_id=1073995580&sequence=1

http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/showpage.html?name=XHEZ.C-BJ-3017&ccnshorttitle=Through-penetration+Firestop+Systems&objid=1074339441&cfgid=1073741824&version=versionless&parent_id=1073995580&sequence=1

http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/showpage.html?name=XHEZ.C-BJ-5002&ccnshorttitle=Through-penetration+Firestop+Systems&objid=1074339464&cfgid=1073741824&version=versionless&parent_id=1073995580&sequence=1

http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/showpage.html?name=XHEZ.C-BJ-5003&ccnshorttitle=Through-penetration+Firestop+Systems&objid=1074339465&cfgid=1073741824&version=versionless&parent_id=1073995580&sequence=1

http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/showpage.html?name=XHEZ.C-BJ-8004&ccnshorttitle=Through-penetration+Firestop+Systems&objid=1074339474&cfgid=1073741824&version=versionless&parent_id=1073995580&sequence=1

http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/showpage.html?name=XHEZ.C-BJ-8005&ccnshorttitle=Through-penetration+Firestop+Systems&objid=1074339475&cfgid=1073741824&version=versionless&parent_id=1073995580&sequence=1

http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/showpage.html?name=XHEZ.F-A-1019&ccnshorttitle=Through-penetration+Firestop+Systems&objid=1074994782&cfgid=1073741824&version=versionless&parent_id=1073995580&sequence=1

http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/showpage.html?name=XHEZ.W-K-2001&ccnshorttitle=Through-penetration+Firestop+Systems&objid=1075467313&cfgid=1073741824&version=versionless&parent_id=1073995580&sequence=1

http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/showpage.html?name=XHEZ.W-L-1001&ccnshorttitle=Through-penetration+Firestop+Systems&objid=1074340806&cfgid=1073741824&version=versionless&parent_id=1073995580&sequence=1

http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/showpage.html?name=XHEZ.W-L-1202&ccnshorttitle=Through-penetration+Firestop+Systems&objid=1075085422&cfgid=1073741824&version=versionless&parent_id=1073995580&sequence=1

http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/showpage.html?name=XHEZ.W-L-1391&ccnshorttitle=Through-penetration+Firestop+Systems&objid=1077834867&cfgid=1073741824&version=versionless&parent_id=1073995580&sequence=1

http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/showpage.html?name=XHEZ.W-L-2265&ccnshorttitle=Through-penetration+Firestop+Systems&objid=1075467327&cfgid=1073741824&version=versionless&parent_id=1073995580&sequence=1

http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/showpage.html?name=XHEZ.W-L-2266&ccnshorttitle=Through-penetration+Firestop+Systems&objid=1075467322&cfgid=1073741824&version=versionless&parent_id=1073995580&sequence=1

http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/showpage.html?name=XHEZ.W-L-3289&ccnshorttitle=Through-penetration+Firestop+Systems&objid=1077835302&cfgid=1073741824&version=versionless&parent_id=1073995580&sequence=1

http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/showpage.html?name=XHEZ.W-L-5111&ccnshorttitle=Through-penetration+Firestop+Systems&objid=1075085432&cfgid=1073741824&version=versionless&parent_id=1073995580&sequence=1

http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/showpage.html?name=XHEZ.W-L-8069&ccnshorttitle=Through-penetration+Firestop+Systems&objid=1078047527&cfgid=1073741824&version=versionless&parent_id=1073995580&sequence=1

The FD 150+ is used only for sealing through-penetrations when there are no penetrating items (i.e. someone removed a pipe and the hole needs to be sealed).

The second product, CP 25WB+, has several assemblies for a variety of penetrating items. You'll have to research the list to see which one works for your specific condition.

The 8R57 and 90G9 numbers are not assembly numbers. They appear to be UL file numbers for the product.
 
fatboy said:
And I wasn't being sarcastic Chris, just wasn't sure what your specific question was......really.
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I'm well aware of that, I was just mixing in a little fun with my research. ;)

RLGA said:
The FD 150+ is used only for sealing through-penetrations when there are no penetrating items (i.e. someone removed a pipe and the hole needs to be sealed).

The second product, CP 25WB+, has several assemblies for a variety of penetrating items. You'll have to research the list to see which one works for your specific condition.
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Thanks Ron, I'll dig deeper.
 
For some reason I am remembering the 25 product only being good for 2" or smaller plastic or so..(anything larger plastic needs the collars).....could be wrong.....but that is why we need the listing.....
 
Chris,

Assuming shop is saving on expenses by using a different sealant; here's a side by side comparison;

3M FIRE PROTECTION SYSTEMS Wood Frame

MATRIX OF UL TESTED AND APPROVED FIRE STOP SYSTEMS

EMPLOYED:

Penetrating Item: Assembly: F Rating: System: Product:

Metal pipe/conduit Concrete walls & floors

2,3&4 Hr.

CAJ1044

CP25WB+

​
Metal pipe/conduit Wood Floor/ceiling

1 & 2 Hr.

FC1002

CP25WB+

​
Metal pipe/conduit Wood Floor/ceiling

1 Hr.

FC1060

FD150+

​
Metal pipe/conduit Gypsum Wall

1,2,3&4 Hr.

WL1001

CP25WB+

​
Metal conduit Gypsum walls

1 & 2 Hr.

WL1167

FD150+

​
Insulated pipe Gypsum walls

1 &2 Hr.

WL5039

CP25WB+

​
HVAC ducts (round) Gypsum Walls

1 &2 Hr.

WL7013

CP25WB+

​
HVAC ducts (round) Wood Floor/ceiling

1 Hr.

FC7001

CP25WB+

​
HVAC ducts (rectangular) Gypsum walls

1&2 Hr.

WL7008

CP25WB+

​
Plastic jacketed cable Wood Floor Ceiling

1 & 2 Hr.

FC3048

FD150+

​
Plastic jacketed cable Gypsum walls

1&2 Hr.

WL3148

FD 150+

​
Electrical outlet boxes Gypsum walls

1&2 Hr.

ANSI UL263

3M Putty Pads

​
 
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Just remember, the caulk itself does not provide the fire protection rating. The caulk is one of three required parts that make up the through penetration firestop system. The system is what receives the rating through testing by UL or other testing agency. Most manufacturers, 3M included, have great information on their websites on how to look up products specific to the type of penetration and what rating is to be maintained.
 
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