Ambulatory stall minimum dimensions

[ADAguy]

ADA says "60" min. length, Plumbing code says "24" min. length in front of WC, even with door swinging out, 24" won't accommodate a walker.

Isn't a longer dimension (+48") in front of a wc required in any code?

Guess I must go to a "best practices" eh?

 

[steveray]

604.9.2 Says 60x36...No swing in....ANSI 117

 

[ADAguy]

Try this on for size, 36" x 24" clear floor space vs. (+360lb) individual with a 56" waist, try turning around or backing into an ambulatory stall when the accessible stall is occupied?

If the 24" were in fact 48" it would be easier or if you used a wall mount flushometer vs a tank you would gain useable clear floor space within the 60" minimum depth, of course this assumes best practice vs minimums.

Legal vs logical, "oh well"

 

[mark handler]

60 inches from back of toilet by 36 inches wide

 

[steveray]

The only thing we can do is teach or reccommend to the designers...They don't have to listen....

 

[ADAguy]

So true, unfortunately.

 

[mark handler]

They don't have to listen....

Yes they do if they want a permit

 

[steveray]

Yes they do if they want a permit

They only have to show compliance to the code to get a permit, they don't have to listen to my suggestions for making something better than the worst you can build by law...

 

[mark handler]

Ambulatory stall minimum dimensions are in the codes and standards. As I have always said, enforce the codes and standards in force where you are.

 

[ADAguy]

Yes, and as a designer, enhance where ever possible.

 

[mark handler]

Yes, and as a designer, enhance where ever possible.

Many here are not designers, they are enforcement drones....

 

[ADAguy]

Interesting word choice MH, so who is "Queen" of the hive?