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anything in NFPA similar to IBC chapter 5?

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Tim Mailloux

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I have been charged with doing a code study of an existing building under our Part IV of the CT state fire code for existing occupancies, which is based on 2015 NFPA 101. Quite frankly NFPA just isn't my thing and I am a bit out of my depth. During a recent walk thru of the facility the local FM stated that the existing building, based on occupancy and construction type is too large to not have a sprinkler system. On a related note it turns out the existing building has had several unpermitted additions over the years. Looking at chapter 5 of the IBC he is absolutely correct and the building is two times over the allowable area for a non sprinklered building, but I cannot find anything in NFPA 101 similar to IBC chapter 5 that regulates allowable area, or at what size a building is required to have a sprinkler system. The FM suggested I look at chapter 8 and chapter 40 in NFPA 101, but there doesn't seem to be anything there that covers this.
 
Tim Mailloux said:
I have been charged with doing a code study of an existing building under our Part IV of the CT state fire code for existing occupancies, which is based on 2015 NFPA 101. Quite frankly NFPA just isn't my thing and I am a bit out of my depth. During a recent walk thru of the facility the local FM stated that the existing building, based on occupancy and construction type is too large to not have a sprinkler system. On a related note it turns out the existing building has had several unpermitted additions over the years. Looking at chapter 5 of the IBC he is absolutely correct and the building is two times over the allowable area for a non sprinklered building, but I cannot find anything in NFPA 101 similar to IBC chapter 5 that regulates allowable area, or at what size a building is required to have a sprinkler system. The FM suggested I look at chapter 8 and chapter 40 in NFPA 101, but there doesn't seem to be anything there that covers this.
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Do they also have NFPA 1 adopted or referenced??
 
Tim Mailloux said:
I have been charged with doing a code study of an existing building under our Part IV of the CT state fire code for existing occupancies, which is based on 2015 NFPA 101. Quite frankly NFPA just isn't my thing and I am a bit out of my depth. During a recent walk thru of the facility the local FM stated that the existing building, based on occupancy and construction type is too large to not have a sprinkler system. On a related note it turns out the existing building has had several unpermitted additions over the years. Looking at chapter 5 of the IBC he is absolutely correct and the building is two times over the allowable area for a non sprinklered building, but I cannot find anything in NFPA 101 similar to IBC chapter 5 that regulates allowable area, or at what size a building is required to have a sprinkler system. The FM suggested I look at chapter 8 and chapter 40 in NFPA 101, but there doesn't seem to be anything there that covers this.
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What type of business is in the building.


Must be industrial related?
 
9.7 Automatic Sprinklers.
9.7.1 General.
9.7.1.1 *
Each automatic sprinkler system required by another section of this Code shall be in accordance with one of the following:







40.3.2 * Protection from Hazards.
40.3.2.1
All high hazard industrial occupancies, operations, or processes shall have approved, supervised automatic extinguishing systems in accordance with Section 9.7 or other protection appropriate to the particular hazard, such as explosion venting or suppression.
40.3.2.2
Protection in accordance with 40.3.2.1 shall be provided for any area subject to an explosion hazard in order to minimize danger to occupants in case of fire or other emergency before they have time to use exits to escape.
 
Ok one more try NFPA 5000 Chapter 7


NFPA 5000: Building Construction and Safety Code, 2021 Edition - Chapter 7 Construction Types and Height and Area Requirements​



7.4 Height and Area Requirements.
7.4.1 General.
The heights of buildings based on their type of construction classification shall not exceed the allowable heights set forth in Table 7.4.1.
 
cda said:
Ok one more try NFPA 5000 Chapter 7


NFPA 5000: Building Construction and Safety Code, 2021 Edition - Chapter 7 Construction Types and Height and Area Requirements​



7.4 Height and Area Requirements.
7.4.1 General.
The heights of buildings based on their type of construction classification shall not exceed the allowable heights set forth in Table 7.4.1.
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thanks
 
2015 NFPA 101 doesn't reference NFPA 5000, but this is better than nothing. I think I am going to calculate the allowable building area using both the IBC and NFPA 5000 to get a couple of baselines I can then using in my discussions with the FM and client.
 
5000 is their "failed" building code that no one uses like the ICC electric code...I hate that someone is ordering a correction without citing a violation....Respect you for trying to do the right thing without any assistance from the AHJ.... ;)
 
Connecticut??? the one in the United States of America????






(Amd) 101.1 Title. The 2015 International Building Code as amended in this section shall be known as the 2015 International Building Code portion of the 2018 Connecticut State Building Code
 
cda said:
Connecticut??? the one in the United States of America????






(Amd) 101.1 Title. The 2015 International Building Code as amended in this section shall be known as the 2015 International Building Code portion of the 2018 Connecticut State Building Code
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I was referring to any reference to NFPA 5000....Not in IBC, IEBC, or IFC....
 
steveray said:
....Respect you for trying to do the right thing without any assistance from the AHJ.... ;)
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well I am getting paid my client
cda said:
Connecticut??? the one in the United States of America????






(Amd) 101.1 Title. The 2015 International Building Code as amended in this section shall be known as the 2015 International Building Code portion of the 2018 Connecticut State Building Code
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was this directed at me or Steveray?
 
Tim Mailloux said:
well I am getting paid my client

was this directed at me or Steveray?
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My bad,

I see that CT is not happy, with just one brand of code::::



2018 Connecticut State Building and Fire Safety Codes​


The 2018 Connecticut State Building and Fire Safety Codes apply to all projects applying for a permit on or after October 1, 2018. They amend and adopt the following model codes:


  • 2015 International Building Code (IBC)
  • 2009 ANSI A117.1 Accessible and Useable Building and Facilities
  • 2015 International Existing Building Code (IEBC)
  • 2015 International Plumbing Code (IPC)
  • 2015 Intedrnational Mechanical Code (IMC)
  • 2015 International Energy Conservation Code (IECC)
  • 2017 NFPA 70 National Electrical Code (NEC)
  • 2015 International Residential Code (IRC)
  • 2015 International Fire Code (IFC) for new construction
  • 2015 NFPA 101 Life Safety Code (LSC) for existing buildings/occupancies

Looks like it is not fun to play in CT
 
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