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Attachment to Brick veneer!

RJJ

RJJ

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Have a plan in for an existing A2 occupancy. The new owner wants to attach an roof over a side walk 10' wide by 60' long. Plan show attachment through brick veneer. Wood frame behind. Sealed plans by Dp have been submitted, but I know decks can be attached in this manner, How about roofs. If not can use help with section!
 
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Brick Veneer? We discussed this with Dr. Bo & Mark Fortney from the PHRC along with a few others in our group and came to the conclusion that it would require through bolting or other similar method and be designed/stamped by a PE. The major issue is the lateral pulling from the structure on a veneer. I have ripped some down that did not even have brick ties.
 
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CAUTION: THIS POST HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SUBJECT.

Sounds like the owner is going to park an RV or mobile home there. Ya'll been having a problem with RVs and mobile homes being parked next to the home and being used to live in; or is this normal in your jurisdiction?

I would think that the DP show on the plans the attachment of the new structure to the house; including all elements of the house where the "roof" will be attached; and detail of attachement.

I would also like a statement of intended use of the new structure by the property owner; signed and attached to the permit application. Depending on local requirements; if the "sidewalk?" is going to be used for parking; the sidewalk should meet requirements for supporting the intended load.

Just a few thoughts,

Uncle Bob
 
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Jeff: I agree! Just looking for chapter and verse! The veneer is just for show and the 1" air space creates a problem for stability.

UB: No RVs permitted under the roof. I am unanimous in that opinion! :mrgreen:

Just for your ifo It will be a Texas road house steak place.
 
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RJJ,

Sorry, I evidently only read the parts I wanted to see. Didn't read the occupancy.

"I'll try to have my tea before I post next time"; he said as he slinks out of the conversation. :oops:

Uncle Bob
 
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Section 1402.1 Definitions Veneer. A facing attached to a wall for the purpose of providing ornamentation, protection or insulation, but not counted as adding strength to the wall.
 
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RJJ,

Start with Section 3410.2.3 - Additions [ to existing buildings ].

Agree with Uncle Bob! The means of attachment must be to the structual

components of the existing bldg. Did the DP provide the plans to indicate this

type of attachment?

 
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"Attachment to Brick veneer"

You cannot attach to the brick veneer. The veneer must be removed at that location and the attachment must be to the exterior wall.

As far as bolting to the side of the existing building wall; where in the building code does it state that you can "side load" the existing building's wall?

That's a question that I can't seem to find the answer to in the 2009 IBC.

The DP's plans must show attachement details to the existing exterior wall; and show that the additional load on the exterior wall does not exceed the wall's ability to carry the additional load.

Uncle Bob
 
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I agree! Can't attached to the brick veneer. UB this is under 2006 IBC. Pa is not on the 2009 until next week! :lol:

Sorry for the slow response! Elevator problems! So I gave them the shaft and a red tag.
 
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UB: You are correct the answer is not found in the code it needs an engineer to design a specific method of attachment. That leaves the code official blowing in the wind.
 
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Well this brick veneer is not going away! I now have an IRC job attached to a veneer. The previous one was an A2 change which put me in solid IBC code. Need a little help to get from IRC 06 back to IBC. The issue is the same the fight is it is not covered in the IRC.
 
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RJJ,

I found it; and you won't believe where. :roll:

You folks have no idea of how much you are helping me keep this code information in my senile old mind.

Thanks,

Oh, I forgot; the answer is in 2006 IRC; are you ready for this?

R703.7.3 Lintels. "Masonry veneer shall not support any vertical load other than the dead load of the veneer above."

ps. They don't use the term "brick".

ICC don't make it easy,

Uncle Bob
 
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Thanks UB! I knew in the back of the one brain cell I have left that words existed on this!

That will make it so I can stick to the lawyer!
 
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