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Attic access from attached garage

Sibernut

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Thanks for any help! We are building a home in Sussex Co Delaware. 2 car garage with "bonus space" unfinished storage area above. This space is accessed in the plans by a door to the second floor inhabitable area. I am being told by builder there can be NO access between garage & this space. Local code calls for 5/8" ceiling 1/2" walls. All I want is an access hatch maybe 2' x 3' to raise/lower seasonal items like lawn chairs etc w/o going thru whole house carrying gawd knows how many bulky items. NO stairs, NO human use etc.
I see plenty of fire rated/proof hatches advertised, can something like this be installed? (I've been in insurance for 20 yrs, we're not going to "wait till the inspector leaves", we're gonna' do it legal/safe/right)
 

Sibernut

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Does "or equivalent" allow for doors, hatches that meet or exceed the retardant specs for the X gyp in the ceiling? What is the base document I can bring up for 302.6 ? Delaware Fire Code?
Tks, you're quicker than a prom dress hittin' the floor!
 

e hilton

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Can you create 2 separate storage spaces, one accessed from the garage and one from the house?
 

Sibernut

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No, not really. But I was going to make a big sign "NO sleeping..." etc
Garage ceiling will be 11 ft plus, no floor space for stairs anyway. There's a window in the end peak, I spose I could just throw stuff out.
 

bill1952

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If you can have a door - closer and all - at main level, why not another at 2nd level? Then 5/8" on wall, and treat garage attic as part of garage, and no separation of garage from it's attic?
 

Sibernut

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I guess I'm having a hard time understanding if ceiling requires 5/8" X gyp, why would a second layer screwed to the ceiling over a framed hole be any different with maybe 1 ft overlap all around ? It's ALL covered by 5/8", I'd unscrew it if needed maybe spring & fall. I'm sure there's a fire retardant or fireproof hatch available that is also rated **vapor** (CO) proof, but may be
big $. Cripes, they'd probably turn down a waterproof dogged hatch like at different levels on a ship too..........
Tks all for the replies, realize it's safety here but c'mon...........
 

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I guess I'm having a hard time understanding if ceiling requires 5/8" X gyp, why would a second layer screwed to the ceiling over a framed hole be any different with maybe 1 ft overlap all around ? It's ALL covered by 5/8", I'd unscrew it if needed maybe spring & fall. I'm sure there's a fire retardant or fireproof hatch available that is also rated **vapor** (CO) proof, but may be
big $. Cripes, they'd probably turn down a waterproof dogged hatch like at different levels on a ship too..........
Tks all for the replies, realize it's safety here but c'mon...........
I have seen them. The examples that I have encountered were not large. They were expensive. They are required to be self closing and latching and do not work well when installed in a ceiling....well, as I remember, not at all . Your situation would require two if one was permitted.

Since you're willing to climb a ladder, the gable window could be a big casement window.
 

north star

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Sibernut,

As you may already know, the intent is to prevent a fire
event in the garage to spread in to the attic areas without
the occupants of the house even knowing about it, and any
cracks or openings in to the attic area will provide a source
of air \ oxygen to promote the spread.

I too would request a meeting with the local inspector to
work together in finding a compliant, not necessarily
less expensive solution
[ i.e. - "we're gonna' do it legal /
safe / right" ].


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tmurray

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Accessing it from the outside might be your best bet.

I have seen some people have some vary nice custom built doors in the gable end of the roof space to do what you are proposing.
 

No Soup for you

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Why not an exterior stair leading to space above the garage and no access from the house?

5/8" Gyp BD on house side of garage?

Maybe I am misunderstanding the situation
 
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