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This one is worrying me. I briefly posted about it in another thread but got no bites. Now the mayor is involved. Lots of typical small town backstory but I stick to the code. The following is the process and determinations as I see it, but I am not sure and have a couple of concerns....hence my post. Bear with it if you have the time.
2018 IBC, IEBC, IRC. The existing situation is 1 residential lot, with an SFD, and two residential accessory structures. The highlighted structure is being proposed to convert to a commercial establishment, mixed-use, non-separated, B & M. All wood frame, no sprinklers. Keep planning & zoning out of it by assuming it is approved.
Both the IRC and the IBC would have the applicant establish an FSD, which would be an imaginary line since all one lot. (3rd review, they still haven't done this)
The IEBC has no provisions for IRC regulated structures, but for arguments sake lets call the house an R3, and the accessory buildings U.
First I deal with the IRC, and t302.1(1). Once established, any portion of the SFD within 5' of the FSD would be subject to t302.1(1), therefore the SFD walls and projections (and possibly openings) will need to be rated to some extent depending on where they establish the FSD. (I acknowledge that IRC t301.2(1) may only be considering separations form other IRC regulated structures but it's what I got right now.)
Second I deal with the IEBC, and section 1011.6, t1011.6. In order to use the IEBC an occupancy classification must be assigned for everything. Assuming U for the existing accessory building, and the specified B & M I can use the table to determine whether the change in hazard category is higher, lower or equal.
U to a B or an M is higher, therefore we are directed to the IBC, specifically t602. Since the proposed building is non-separated, I would go with M for my determination using IBC t602.
Using M & VB in t602 I see if there is an FSD < 5' then 2-hr ext. walls are required for those portions, and from 5' to 10' then 1-hr. Combustible projections would be 1-hr where within 5' of the FSD per IBC 705.3.2.
You notice an additional building at plan south. This is the other residential accessory structure, a garage no proposed changes, it will remain an accessory to the SFD. IRC 302.1 includes residential accessory structures for compliance with t302.1(1), so if portions of that building are within the table values assigned, those portions would also be required to be rated. And, since the new proposed commercial building is changing from lower to higher in hazard classification the same separation provisions from t602 would apply and the M would need to used in t602.
So my conclusion, based on the above, is the SFD must be protected per IRC t301.2(1) and the commercial building must be protected per IBCt602.
Now it gets uglier. The existing building that they are proposing changing may have been operating as an S1 repair garage, but I have not determined whether it was done so legally (with a permit). If legally, it was certainly not reviewed the way I have layed it out and likely approved in ignorance (likely by one of the town officials so there may be some ass-covering going on). If this is the case, do all of the separation issues from the IEBC go away because now S1 to M is of equal hazard per IEBC t1011.6? And, if this was approved, or is existing, does the house separation go away because it is existing? FWIW, I do not believe the S1 was permitted, but has been tacitly allowed for years...ignorance is bliss.
If it was an S1 repair garage (legally or not) do all of the code provisions get ignored even though they never complied and still don't? This is a bigger question I have had with the IEBC, which I have yet to conclude addresses whether an "existing building" is only existing if it met/meets the code that allowed it to exist.
And to think I offered to do this simple review as a favor........I thought it was just a T/I!

2018 IBC, IEBC, IRC. The existing situation is 1 residential lot, with an SFD, and two residential accessory structures. The highlighted structure is being proposed to convert to a commercial establishment, mixed-use, non-separated, B & M. All wood frame, no sprinklers. Keep planning & zoning out of it by assuming it is approved.
Both the IRC and the IBC would have the applicant establish an FSD, which would be an imaginary line since all one lot. (3rd review, they still haven't done this)
The IEBC has no provisions for IRC regulated structures, but for arguments sake lets call the house an R3, and the accessory buildings U.
First I deal with the IRC, and t302.1(1). Once established, any portion of the SFD within 5' of the FSD would be subject to t302.1(1), therefore the SFD walls and projections (and possibly openings) will need to be rated to some extent depending on where they establish the FSD. (I acknowledge that IRC t301.2(1) may only be considering separations form other IRC regulated structures but it's what I got right now.)
Second I deal with the IEBC, and section 1011.6, t1011.6. In order to use the IEBC an occupancy classification must be assigned for everything. Assuming U for the existing accessory building, and the specified B & M I can use the table to determine whether the change in hazard category is higher, lower or equal.
U to a B or an M is higher, therefore we are directed to the IBC, specifically t602. Since the proposed building is non-separated, I would go with M for my determination using IBC t602.
Using M & VB in t602 I see if there is an FSD < 5' then 2-hr ext. walls are required for those portions, and from 5' to 10' then 1-hr. Combustible projections would be 1-hr where within 5' of the FSD per IBC 705.3.2.
You notice an additional building at plan south. This is the other residential accessory structure, a garage no proposed changes, it will remain an accessory to the SFD. IRC 302.1 includes residential accessory structures for compliance with t302.1(1), so if portions of that building are within the table values assigned, those portions would also be required to be rated. And, since the new proposed commercial building is changing from lower to higher in hazard classification the same separation provisions from t602 would apply and the M would need to used in t602.
So my conclusion, based on the above, is the SFD must be protected per IRC t301.2(1) and the commercial building must be protected per IBCt602.
Now it gets uglier. The existing building that they are proposing changing may have been operating as an S1 repair garage, but I have not determined whether it was done so legally (with a permit). If legally, it was certainly not reviewed the way I have layed it out and likely approved in ignorance (likely by one of the town officials so there may be some ass-covering going on). If this is the case, do all of the separation issues from the IEBC go away because now S1 to M is of equal hazard per IEBC t1011.6? And, if this was approved, or is existing, does the house separation go away because it is existing? FWIW, I do not believe the S1 was permitted, but has been tacitly allowed for years...ignorance is bliss.
If it was an S1 repair garage (legally or not) do all of the code provisions get ignored even though they never complied and still don't? This is a bigger question I have had with the IEBC, which I have yet to conclude addresses whether an "existing building" is only existing if it met/meets the code that allowed it to exist.
And to think I offered to do this simple review as a favor........I thought it was just a T/I!
