Classroom security

[cda]

From L G great info;;;

http://www.firemarshals.org/files/NASFM%20Classroom%20Door%20Security%2020150316%281%29.pdf

http://idighardware.com/2015/03/nasfm-classroom-door-security-and-locking-hardware/

 

[jdfruit]

cda

This deserves more than the "thanks" click; great info & I am sending to all my Fire Marshal crew

 

[north star]

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[FM William Burns]

The discussions with the law enforcement side are always fun and entertaining when the fire side gets to prevail with an enforcement issue

 

[Rider Rick]

From L G great info;;;http://www.firemarshals.org/files/NASFM%20Classroom%20Door%20Security%2020150316%281%29.pdf

http://idighardware.com/2015/03/nasfm-classroom-door-security-and-locking-hardware/

404.2.9 Door Surface. Door surfaces within 10 inches (255 mm) of the floor, measured

vertically, shall be a smooth surface on the push side extending the full width of the door.

Would a dog leg door stop be a violation to this code?

 

[jdfruit]

Rider Rick

The code section you gave is for disabled access. Yes a door stop attached to a door leaf in the "smooth" zone is a violation. Is your question relative to classroom security?

 

[Rider Rick]

I read the post and saw that code and had a question? Did I do something wrong?

 

[jdfruit]

Nothing wrong, the thread is more on security than access, just wondered where you were going with the question.

 

[Paul Sweet]

Fire marshals usually get very excited when they see these door stops, especially on rated doors with closers!

 

[ADAguy]

Unfortunately Chapters 9 & 10 of CBC and 11B do not have enough clarification as to where hardware not required by FLS may be required by access.

The case above is an example.

Note: UL does not test for ADA compliance, no one is authorized to do so. As ISA on spec sheets is not a "GoodHouse Keeping " seal of approval.

It is for the manufacturers to claim and us to question that claim.

 

[mark handler]

http://www.assaabloydss.com/Local/DSS/Applications/education/Lock%20Functionality%20White%20Paper.pdf

A classroom security function (ANSI mortise F09/bored F88) allows the door to be locked by key on the inside, removing the risk of a teacher having to enter the hallway to lock the door. This presents a different challenge – if the exterior lever is locked (by the interior cylinder) during the school day, it could create interruptions in the class as the teacher would need to let students into the room. Also, as with the classroom function described above, the key holder must be present to lock the door.

 

[Rider Rick]

http://www.assaabloydss.com/Local/DSS/Applications/education/Lock%20Functionality%20White%20Paper.pdfA classroom security function (ANSI mortise F09/bored F88) allows the door to be locked by key on the inside, removing the risk of a teacher having to enter the hallway to lock the door. This presents a different challenge – if the exterior lever is locked (by the interior cylinder) during the school day, it could create interruptions in the class as the teacher would need to let students into the room. Also, as with the classroom function described above, the key holder must be present to lock the door.

Mark,

Does the lock need a key to unlock the door from the inside?

 

[mark handler]

Mark,Does the lock need a key to unlock the door from the inside?

Do not know, gave you the link

 

[ADAguy]

I discussed this with DC and reviewed the meaning of egress with regards to door function.

It appears clear that use of a key is permissable for the exterior or entry side of an exempt room but that egressing from a room requires one action that retracts the bolt and releases the latch (required by Chapter 10 of CBC).

An exempt room may retain an existing knob until such time as an accommodation is requested. ( Best practice however, to avoid any misunderstandings/perceptions would be to change all knobs to levers. )