Cooler Use Group

[Francis Vineyard]

Was asked to post this question for a consensus. Mixed use and Table 602; when a large cooler or cold storage unit sometimes nearly half the size of the restaurant is place outside would you classify the cooler for meat and food as S-2?

 

[mark handler]

I have done a lot of restaurants and never classified coolers as anything but Incidental use areas

 

[cda]

Agree with mr. H

 

[mark handler]

nearly half the size of the restaurant?

Never seen that

 

[cda]

Never done a mcdonalds huh???

Everything is frozen

 

[Francis Vineyard]

Mark H

If it were an incidental use area would it be classified as storage; S-2?

If it is an S-2 and it can have an occupant load then how would it not be considered a building or a portion thereof?

In the 2009 storage room was removed from the incidental use areas, and it doesn’t seem to qualify as an accessory occupancy.

It’s a very busy small take-out with seating outdoors; the cooler or refrigeration box is 20’x30’ located at the back of the building and less than 5’ from the property line.

Cda; haven’t done any newly constructed corporate or franchised restaurant yet; just a few remodels for uplifts and accessibility. There’s one McDonalds at the edge of the city boundary. Charlottesville is 10 sq. mi. and available land to build on is scarce where most all new commercial buildings are built toward the sky.

 

[mark handler]

If you do not have the incidental use area option then yes it would be an "S-2"

IBC 2009 SECTION 311 STORAGE GROUP S

311.1 Storage Group S. Storage Group S occupancy includes, among others, the use of a building or structure, or a portion thereof, for storage that is not classified as a hazardous occupancy.

Food products

Foods in noncombustible containers

Fresh fruits and vegetables in nonplastic trays or containers

Frozen foods

Even though they do use plastic trays or containers

508.2 Accessory occupancies. Accessory occupancies are those occupancies that are ancillary to the main occupancy of the building or portion thereof. Accessory occupancies shall comply with the provisions of Sections 508.2.1 through 508.2.5.3.

 

[brudgers]

Hangin' and Chillin' should be considered part of the Cooler Use Group.

 

[mark handler]

ICC Code Technology Committee

Removing storage rooms greater than 100 square feet and parking garages from being classified as incidental uses areas will permit them to qualify as accessory occupancies provided they meet the limitations of Section 508.3.1 for accessory occupancies. But that is the case now. This purpose for this proposal is not to change the provisions of the IBC with respect to storage rooms greater than 100 square feet and parking garages. Rather, it is to change the provisions for incidental use areas other than storage rooms greater than 100 square feet and parking garages by restoring the requirements for separation and/or protection specified in Table 508.2.

A prohibition on applying the provisions of Section 508.3.1 for accessory occupancies in order to reduce the requirements of Section 508.2 for incidental use areas is added to Section 508.3.1. Incidental uses are not occupancies but are areas of special hazard within occupancies. Technically, the prohibition is superfluous but it is proposed to ensure that the provisions for accessory occupancies are not misconstrued as a substitute for the requirements for incidental use areas.

Commenter=s Reason: Including parking garages and storage rooms in the incidental use table creates confusion. These uses are adequately addressed in the occupancy separation table 508.3.3 which the incidental use Section 508.2.1 allows anyway by referencing to Section 508.3. A part of Section 508.3 is nonseparated uses. Why would anyone chose the separations listed in the more restrictive requirements of the incidental use table 508.2 when the option of nonseparated uses is permitted? In this case the exception becomes the rule. A parking garage is an S-2 occupancy and storage may be an S-1 or S-2 occupancies as per I.B.C. Section 311.3 and 311.2.

The other uses in the table do not clearly fall into any occupancy group but are unique uses which due to their unique hazard should be separated in all cases except where noted for automatic fire extinguishing systems or fire sprinkling systems.

http://www.iccsafe.org/cs/codes/Documents/2006-07cycle/FAA/IBC-G2.pdf

 

[peach]

It's not hazardous storage, but if it's outside, I may classify it as U... utility building to the main structure. Inside, probably incidental.