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Courtyard Building Reentry/ Exit?

ADAguy said:
So I dump into an enclosed courtyard, how am I suppose to exit back through the burning first floor of the building to the public way? Are their protected horizontal exits from the courtyard to the public way?
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If you follow the exit signs, you won't end up in the courtyard....But if you do, you could jump in the pool...;)
 
What of the corridors being used as refuge areas?
Can you post a site plan showing the relationship of the building exits to the public way?
 
first floor it looks like it shows exiting into "stair A"

Correct ??

Or where does Stair A exit to??
 
The distance is showing the exit access travel distance. Once the occupant hits the door he/she has reached the exit of the courtyard. Occupant is now separated from the courtyard by rated construction of the exit passageway to the exit discharge.

Would like to see courtyard diagram of CPET scenario showing compliance.

unknown whether the exit passageway complies or exterior wall ratings allow horizontal exit classification...
 
sergoodo said:
The distance is showing the exit access travel distance. Once the occupant hits the door he/she has reached the exit of the courtyard. Occupant is now separated from the courtyard by rated construction of the exit passageway to the exit discharge.

Would like to see courtyard diagram of CPET scenario showing compliance.

unknown whether the exit passageway complies or exterior wall ratings allow horizontal exit classification...
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Watson you might have a good point



the maximum length of exit access travel, measured from the most remote point within a story along the natural and unobstructed path of egress travel to an exterior exit door at the level of exit discharge, an entrance to a vertical exit enclosure, an exit passageway, a horizontal exit, an exterior exit stairway or an exterior exit ramp, [which] shall not exceed the distances given in Table 1016.1.



http://www.specsandcodes.com/articles/code_corner/The Code Corner No. 29 - Travel Distance.pdf
 
sergoodo said:
The distance is showing the exit access travel distance. Once the occupant hits the door he/she has reached the exit of the courtyard. Occupant is now separated from the courtyard by rated construction of the exit passageway to the exit discharge.

Would like to see courtyard diagram of CPET scenario showing compliance.

unknown whether the exit passageway complies or exterior wall ratings allow horizontal exit classification...
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EATD does not stop until you reach an EXIT....A corridor is exit access. You could hypothetically call it (the exterior wall of the building) a horizontal exit, but then you can only have 50% of the required exits as a HE...

Sorry that it is not clear in the pics, the building reentry is in to a corridor, not the exit passageway...
 
so if this is an "R"

They are allowed 250 travel distance???

Which it look like the plan meets??

Am I missing something else?
 
Met with the designer yesterday, he believes they can meet the 250' to the stair or EP, but that is not what they show on the plans...Pretend like I am from Missouri and "show me"!
 
steveray said:
EATD does not stop until you reach an EXIT....A corridor is exit access. You could hypothetically call it (the exterior wall of the building) a horizontal exit, but then you can only have 50% of the required exits as a HE...
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Since the EATD stops at the door signifies something is going on beyond the definition of corridor, and if the corridor has been constructed meeting exit passageway requirements then distances signify the EATD.
Nothing above should be considered lecture...the simple steps/statements are to maintain control of my own line of thought. up to this point looks like the same thought has now been rehashed.

Regarding distances signifying horizontal exits, There are 4 buildings and I interpret the # of horizontal exit limitations are for each building. The blue building horizontal exit is not serving as the only courtyard exit, occupants have another horizontal exit in the yellow building. If this was a courtyard of a single building, then yes the limits would be exceeded...not as safe as multiple buildings with multiple fire walls.
 
Good argument!...But I would have a strict reading of 1021 (in my code):

1021.1 Horizontal exits. Horizontal exits serving as an exit in a means of egress system shall comply with the requirements of this section. A horizontal exit shall not serve as the only exit from a portion of a building, and where two or more exits are required, not more than one-half of the total number of exits or total exit width shall be horizontal exits.

It says horizontal exits. Period. It doesn't get into "this building or that building" the limitations are based on the space or building you are leaving, not entering. While I do agree that is probably not any less safe, it is not how it reads IMO...And probably not a great idea...
 
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