door separation required in large outdoor terrace?

[gnarkill283]

We have a large outdoor terrace on a 2nd floor - do we need to provide door separation distance of half, third, or none of the max diagonal of the space? The building is sprinklered and gets the 1/3rd exception inside but what about outside?

 

[cda]

We have a large outdoor terrace on a 2nd floor - do we need to provide door separation distance of half, third, or none of the max diagonal of the space? The building is sprinklered and gets the 1/3rd exception inside but what about outside?

So how many sq ft


What is it used for?

What occupant load are you assigning it?

 

[gnarkill283]

4000 sq ft - its considered assembly space in a business building. Its just an outdoor terrace for the employees

 

[RLGA]

1/3 the overall diagonal because the building is sprinklered--you can't hang fire sprinklers from the air (and if you could, they wouldn't work because there is no ceiling to trap the heat; therefore, it wouldn't get hot enough to set them off).

 

[steveray]

Do you egress back into the building or off the terrace directly?

 

[gnarkill283]

back into the building

 

[steveray]

So the doors swing in? 2 doors? With panic hardware? Outdoors with no lock?

 

[gnarkill283]

Yes but they need to be lockable

 

[cda]

Yes but they need to be lockable

Look to the future:::

Code Update: Egress from Exterior Spaces

Anyone remember who the tiny person in red is? :) I'm working on my next Decoded column for Door Security + Safety Magazine, and it's about a really important change to the International Building Code. Although the change affects a relatively small number of doors, I receive

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From the Guru.

Propose as alternative design, if needed.

 

[gnarkill283]

Look to the future:::

Code Update: Egress from Exterior Spaces

Anyone remember who the tiny person in red is? :) I'm working on my next Decoded column for Door Security + Safety Magazine, and it's about a really important change to the International Building Code. Although the change affects a relatively small number of doors, I receive

idighardware.com

From the Guru.

Propose as alternative design, if needed.

Wait so you telling me these type of doors in this situation can't be locked based on current and past code? How can they be secured then? Seems like buglars could take advantage of this if they knew about it

 

[cda]

Wait so you telling me these type of doors in this situation can't be locked based on current and past code? How can they be secured then? Seems like buglars could take advantage of this if they knew about it

YES

Modern designs and other, that is why the codes are finally catching up.

They are exits.

 

[RLGA]

Wait so you telling me these type of doors in this situation can't be locked based on current and past code? How can they be secured then? Seems like buglars could take advantage of this if they knew about it

Use the accepted code change as a justification for a code modification per Section 104.11.