Egress Through a Pool Area

[LGreene]

I was asked about this the other day and my initial reaction was that the egress path should not go through the pool area but I wanted to check with y'all. The photos below are from a clubhouse. The space has 2 other exits, in addition to the marked exit that leads to the pool enclosure. There is also a step after you go through the door to the pool area, which seems like a bad idea in combination with the close proximity of the pool. The other 2 exits provide sufficient egress width for the occupant load. The owner would like to restrict access to the pool from the clubhouse when the pool is closed.Click to enlarge:

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What would you require in order to allow the owner to eliminate the exit that goes through the pool area? Is that even allowable (exiting through the pool enclosure)?View attachment 2052

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[steveray]

I don't have an issue with egressing to the poo areal as long as everything downstream is compliant as well....If the door is in excess of what is required, take the signage off and you are good to go....

 

[mtlogcabin]

What would you require in order to allow the owner to eliminate the exit that goes through the pool area? Is that even allowable (exiting through the pool enclosure)?

If it can't meet the requirements of 1007.7 or 1027.6 then it is not an exit and should not be signed as such

1027.6 Access to a public way.

The exit discharge shall provide a direct and unobstructed access to a public way .

Exception: Where access to a public way cannot be provided, a safe dispersal area shall be provided where all of the following are met:

1. The area shall be of a size to accommodate at least 5 square feet (0.46 m2) for each person.

2. The area shall be located on the same lot at least 50 feet (15 240 mm) away from the building requiring egress.

3. The area shall be permanently maintained and identified as a safe dispersal area.

4. The area shall be provided with a safe and unobstructed path of travel from the building.

 

[fatboy]

If the egress path through the pool area is not required for means of egress, then yes, lose the signage, good to go.

 

[cda]

what is the problem the hole in the ground?

 

[cda]

Looks like a typical apartment set up, from the clubhouse/ office.

Most of the newer complexes dump to the outside of the pool fence line

 

[cda]

What would you require in order to allow the owner to eliminate the exit that goes through the pool area?

if there is code compliant exit through the office

 

[FM William Burns]

I would not be concerned with the egress arrangement depicted except for the Hotel's Business Center fixtures are blocking unobstructed travel path to marked exit door. If this were off the Lobby where other accessible exits were located and compliant, I would defer to my esteemed colleagues and loose the sign and then they could keep the Business Center fixtures as is.

 

[khsmith55]

The "step" mentioned gives me concern. Any change in elevation of less then 12" along a path of egress must be by a ramp (forget section number). Does the pool area discharge to a public way? Is the hardware on any pool gate code compliant? Is the pool area large enough and far enough away to be considered a dispersible area? As mentioned above, remove signage.

 

[cda]

The other thing is some people see a door and feel an exit sign is needed above it.

So door may not even be required to be marked