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dcray627

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I am converting an open, roofed shelter house into an event center. The shelter house is separated from the adjacent golf course clubhouse by 11'. The clubhouse is approximately 3500 sf. and the shelter house is 2400 sf. The open shelter house will be enclosed by infilling the open space between the wood posts. If I attach the shelter house with the clubhouse with a covered portico the total area will be over 5000 sf. Do I need a sprinkler system then?
 
Assuming an A-2 use, Type V-B construction, and straight 2018 IBC, Table 506.2 allows for a building up to 6,000sf to be non-sprinkled.

That said, you also need to look at Ch. 9, which is where you will encounter a slight issue. You will notice that sprinklers are required where the fire area exceeds 5000sf.

So simple answer is to add a fire barrier (2-hr) to create two separate fire areas.


[F] 903.2.1.2 Group A-2
An automatic sprinkler system shall be provided throughout stories containing Group A-2 occupancies and throughout all stories from the Group A-2 occupancy to and including the levels of exit discharge serving that occupancy where one of the following conditions exists:
  1. The fire area exceeds 5,000 square feet (464 m2).
  2. The fire area has an occupant load of 100 or more.
  3. The fire area is located on a floor other than a level of exit discharge serving such occupancies.
 
classicT said:
Assuming an A-2 use, Type V-B construction, and straight 2018 IBC, Table 506.2 allows for a building up to 6,000sf to be non-sprinkled.

That said, you also need to look at Ch. 9, which is where you will encounter a slight issue. You will notice that sprinklers are required where the fire area exceeds 5000sf.

So simple answer is to add a fire barrier (2-hr) to create two separate fire areas.


[F] 903.2.1.2 Group A-2
An automatic sprinkler system shall be provided throughout stories containing Group A-2 occupancies and throughout all stories from the Group A-2 occupancy to and including the levels of exit discharge serving that occupancy where one of the following conditions exists:
  1. The fire area exceeds 5,000 square feet (464 m2).
  2. The fire area has an occupant load of 100 or more.
  3. The fire area is located on a floor other than a level of exit discharge serving such occupancies.
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Thank you so much for the quick response. Your assumptions are correct. Another thought is not attaching the event center to the clubhouse so that I have two separate buildings. One being 3500sf, the other being 2400 sf. The clubhouse has the restrooms and sufficient number of fixtures. I need to check if there needs to be fire separation between the buildings being separated by 11'.
 
dcray627 said:
Thank you so much for the quick response. Your assumptions are correct. Another thought is not attaching the event center to the clubhouse so that I have two separate buildings. One being 3500sf, the other being 2400 sf. The clubhouse has the restrooms and sufficient number of fixtures. I need to check if there needs to be fire separation between the buildings being separated by 11'.
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what will the shelter be used for?!
 
classicT said:
Assuming an A-2 use, Type V-B construction, and straight 2018 IBC, Table 506.2 allows for a building up to 6,000sf to be non-sprinkled.

That said, you also need to look at Ch. 9, which is where you will encounter a slight issue. You will notice that sprinklers are required where the fire area exceeds 5000sf.

So simple answer is to add a fire barrier (2-hr) to create two separate fire areas.


[F] 903.2.1.2 Group A-2
An automatic sprinkler system shall be provided throughout stories containing Group A-2 occupancies and throughout all stories from the Group A-2 occupancy to and including the levels of exit discharge serving that occupancy where one of the following conditions exists:
  1. The fire area exceeds 5,000 square feet (464 m2).
  2. The fire area has an occupant load of 100 or more.
  3. The fire area is located on a floor other than a level of exit discharge serving such occupancies.
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Or


  1. The fire area has an occupant load of 100 or more. Which the shelter can accommodate
 
303.3 Assembly Group A-2

Group A-2 occupancy includes assembly uses intended for food and/or drink consumption including, but not limited to:

  • Banquet halls
  • Casinos (gaming areas)
  • Nightclubs

  • Restaurants, cafeterias and similar dining facilities (including associated commercial kitchens)
  • Taverns and bars


  • 303.4 Assembly Group A-3

    Group A-3 occupancy includes assembly uses intended for worship, recreation or amusement and other assembly uses not classified elsewhere in Group A including, but not limited to:
    • Amusement arcades
    • Art galleries
    • Bowling alleys
    • Community halls
 
dcray627 said:
Thank you so much for the quick response. Your assumptions are correct. Another thought is not attaching the event center to the clubhouse so that I have two separate buildings. One being 3500sf, the other being 2400 sf. The clubhouse has the restrooms and sufficient number of fixtures. I need to check if there needs to be fire separation between the buildings being separated by 11'.
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You probably need 20-ft; imaginary lot line with 10-ft FSD for each building. Check out Table 602
 
Wedding receptions, birthday parties, reunions, golf outings, etc. Actually, that's what it's used for now. My client wants to be able to use it 365 days/year. It'll be heated and have air. On one side will be overhead garage doors opening onto a patio when the weather is nice. Thanks.
 
dcray627 said:
Wedding receptions, birthday parties, reunions, golf outings, etc. Actually, that's what it's used for now. My client wants to be able to use it 365 days/year. It'll be heated and have air. On one side will be overhead garage doors opening onto a patio when the weather is nice. Thanks.
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I am thinking no sprinklers, because no change of occupancy/ use.

Even though they are making it pretty.

I would not connect them, might cause trouble than.

See if you can get away with a covered walk way
 
Check the existing building code.

I think the sprinkler requirement based on occupant load will be more restrictive than the square footage. Going from memory so may be wrong but think it's 300 in the IEBC for A2.

Still agree that separate fire areas will work for you as others have said.
 
my250r11 said:
Check the existing building code.

I think the sprinkler requirement based on occupant load will be more restrictive than the square footage. Going from memory so may be wrong but think it's 300 in the IEBC for A2.

Still agree that separate fire areas will work for you as others have said.
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Thanks for the reply. I'll take a look at it.
 
dcray627 said:
Thanks for the reply. I'll take a look at it.
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I am thinking no sprinklers, because no change of occupancy/ use.

Even though they are making it pretty.

I would not connect them, might cause trouble than.

See if you can get away with a covered walk way
 
Better check with the local jurisdiction as they may require sprinklers in all structures. It's becoming commonplace. At least in my neck of the woods.
 
steveray said:
How are you meeting todays energy code for the newly heated building?
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I was wondering the same thing. FWIW I worked on a similar project several years ago and we actually had to add 42" deep frost wall with foundation insulation below the new exterior walls enclosing the existing roof structure. We were not allowed to build the new exterior walls right on top of the existing slab.
 
Tim Mailloux said:
I was wondering the same thing. FWIW I worked on a similar project several years ago and we actually had to add 42" deep frost wall with foundation insulation below the new exterior walls enclosing the existing roof structure. We were not allowed to build the new exterior walls right on top of the existing slab.
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I'm doing COMcheck now so I'll let you know.
My client is now looking to add a sprinkler system in the shelter house\event center. And we're looking to attach the proposed event center to the clubhouse via a roof structure. The maximum allowable area for VB, A-2 is 6000 SF w/o suppression and 24000 SF w/suppression.. My question is how will this affect the allowable area since only the shelter house/event center will be suppressed?
 
dcray627 said:
I'm doing COMcheck now so I'll let you know.
My client is now looking to add a sprinkler system in the shelter house\event center. And we're looking to attach the proposed event center to the clubhouse via a roof structure. The maximum allowable area for VB, A-2 is 6000 SF w/o suppression and 24000 SF w/suppression.. My question is how will this affect the allowable area since only the shelter house/event center will be suppressed?
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if your intention is to consider the newly renovated event center and the club house as one building, then the entire building needs to be sprinklered to take advantage of the area increase you get with a sprinkler system.
 
dcray627 said:
I'm doing COMcheck now so I'll let you know.
My client is now looking to add a sprinkler system in the shelter house\event center. And we're looking to attach the proposed event center to the clubhouse via a roof structure. The maximum allowable area for VB, A-2 is 6000 SF w/o suppression and 24000 SF w/suppression.. My question is how will this affect the allowable area since only the shelter house/event center will be suppressed?
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Dont forget the pesky occupant load, that requires a fire sprinkler system!!!!!


The fire area has an occupant load of 100 or more.
 
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