framing over stucco

[Daulton]

I have a contractor enclosing a small covered walkway on a commercial building to expand storage inside his restaurant. He is tying into existing stucco wrapped exterior wall, stucco wrapped beams and columns and insists he should not have to remove the stucco to make direct wood to wood connections as I want him to do. He just wants to caulk the joints where the framing is adjacent to the stucco and use long bolts or even nails to make the connections. What do you folks think?

 

[pyrguy]

Hardcoat or EIFS?

 

[fatboy]

Bearing, non-bearing? And,

1405.4 Flashing. Flashing shall be installed in such a manner

so as to prevent moisture from entering the wall or to redirect it

to the exterior. Flashing shall be installed at the perimeters of

exterior door and window assemblies, penetrations and terminations

of exterior wall assemblies, exterior wall intersections

with roofs, chimneys, porches, decks, balconies and similar

projections and at built-in gutters and similar locations where

moisture could enter the wall. Flashing with projecting flanges

shall be installed on both sides and the ends of copings, under

sills and continuously above projecting trim.

 

[ICE]

My first thought is the same as fatboy. The stucco lath should be tied together and re-plastered. As to the wall connection, as long as they know for sure what the bolts are hitting, lag bolts should work with the stucco intact. After all, the walls are just infill.

 

[David Henderson]

Remove stucco where the tie-ins will be.

 

[brudgers]

If there is structural independence then there's clearly no need to remove the stucco.

If the new and old are transferring loads, then an engineered solution is possible, but uncommon.

 

[Daulton]

I got over ruled, the contractor is the assistant mayors son, the framing was allowed to stay. It is non-structural infill and I had red lined the drawings with the statement "remove stucco where the framing connects to existing framing".

 

[Rider Rick]

Go for the bigger fish.

 

[fatboy]

yup, pick your battles.......

 

[pwood]

I got over ruled, the contractor is the assistant mayors son, the framing was allowed to stay. It is non-structural infill and I had red lined the drawings with the statement "remove stucco where the framing connects to existing framing".

crow taste good with lots of terriyaki sauce and beer!

 

[Papio Bldg Dept]

yes, don't aim for the middle mayor's assistant's room-mates son, but just a little bit higher.

 

[ICE]

Cardinal Mahoney stepped on me. I hope he didn't send me to Hell too.

 

[Alias]

I got over ruled, the contractor is the assistant mayors son, the framing was allowed to stay. It is non-structural infill and I had red lined the drawings with the statement "remove stucco where the framing connects to existing framing".

I'm familiar with this scenario. Chalk it up to experience and move on down the road.

Sue

 

[Daulton]

Thanks for all the support and you are all correct, I do try to pick my battles but I do get weary of the reigning attitude in this town of "what are you gonna do about it". If I get a cooperative buider on any projects I can count on the fact they are from out of town.

 

[KZQuixote]

Thanks for all the support and you are all correct, I do try to pick my battles but I do get weary of the reigning attitude in this town of "what are you gonna do about it". If I get a cooperative buider on any projects I can count on the fact they are from out of town.

Hi Daulton,

Don't give up! I was there many years ago. You can't turn the ship just because your shift at the helm started today. Your choices are limited to:

1) Start an contractor education program. Make sure that the plans review process empowers the field inspector. Accept what you know has been accepted historically once, write up the correction notices and demand compliance next time.

2) Start looking for a new job!

Ben there! I started the education program but ended up moving on to a career where I was in charge.

Hope your experience in code enforcement is more sustainable than mine.

Bill

 

[Examiner]

Now is there EIFS (stucco) in the building's interior and it is not covered with sheetrock? Chapter 8 interior finish fire classification. The rigid plastic with the thin acrylic coating cannot be inside the building unless it is covered with sheetrock. Also the chapter on Plastic material will address this.