Wondering if anyone has a code reference for this. All the municipal guides for garden suites state it can not be more than 45m from a street and total travel distance of 90m to a hydrant. They all state this is a code requirement and not a by-law. However the only code provisions I can find for this is under part 3 for large buildings. Why would this apply to part 9 buildings? Anyone able to shine some light on this? To me, the provisions of 3.2.5 should not apply to a garden suite which should fall under part 9. Maybe I am missing something? Many houses in rural Ontario are a lot further than 45m from a road and 90m from a hydrant.
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Garden suites and distance to street and hydrant (Ontario)
- Thread starter NLaf
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Inspector Gadget
REGISTERED
The hydrant requirement is only for part 3 buildings. No requirement for single-family dwellings/part 9 buildings to be serviced by a hydrant.
tmurray
SAWHORSE
I'm not seeing anything in Part 9 of the OBC.
Inspector Gadget
REGISTERED
Canadian Codes are a little vague for dwelling units.Keep in mind the requirement for fire department access to buildings as this can get complicated for ADUs.
The only real language is
"Access for fire department equipment shall be provided to each building by
means of a street, private roadway or yard. (See Notes A-9.10.20.3.(1) and A-3.2.5.6.(1).)"
NBC 9.10.20.3
Generally, our office assumes that if you can pour a frostwall during the build, you've got space for a fire truck.
It might be related to the Fire Code?...https://www.ontario.ca/laws/regulation/070213
When it comes to fire related requirements - The Fire Department is the Authority Having Jurisdiction. So, in theory - for rural areas you could do something else for fire fighting/access for garden/laneway suites so long as the fire fighting provisions are approved by the Fire Department.
Hydrants
9.6.5.4. (1) Hydrants shall be located within 90 m of the building face on which the principal entrance is located.
(2) A hydrant located within 45 m of a fire department connection, as required by Sentence 9.6.5.3.(1), is deemed to be in compliance with Sentence (1).
(3) Despite Sentence (1), existing hydrant locations that provide sufficient fire suppression capability in the circumstances and that are approved may be used.
When it comes to fire related requirements - The Fire Department is the Authority Having Jurisdiction. So, in theory - for rural areas you could do something else for fire fighting/access for garden/laneway suites so long as the fire fighting provisions are approved by the Fire Department.
Hydrants
9.6.5.4. (1) Hydrants shall be located within 90 m of the building face on which the principal entrance is located.
(2) A hydrant located within 45 m of a fire department connection, as required by Sentence 9.6.5.3.(1), is deemed to be in compliance with Sentence (1).
(3) Despite Sentence (1), existing hydrant locations that provide sufficient fire suppression capability in the circumstances and that are approved may be used.
tmurray
SAWHORSE
Probably not based on the scope of 9.6. There does not appear to be specific requirements for single dwelling unit building in the Ontario Fire Code.It might be related to the Fire Code?...https://www.ontario.ca/laws/regulation/070213
When it comes to fire related requirements - The Fire Department is the Authority Having Jurisdiction. So, in theory - for rural areas you could do something else for fire fighting/access for garden/laneway suites so long as the fire fighting provisions are approved by the Fire Department.
Hydrants
9.6.5.4. (1) Hydrants shall be located within 90 m of the building face on which the principal entrance is located.
(2) A hydrant located within 45 m of a fire department connection, as required by Sentence 9.6.5.3.(1), is deemed to be in compliance with Sentence (1).
(3) Despite Sentence (1), existing hydrant locations that provide sufficient fire suppression capability in the circumstances and that are approved may be used.
This is the scope of 9.6:
9.6.1.1. (1) This Section applies to buildings higher than 6 storeys in building height with residential occupancies and containing
(a) more than two dwelling units,
(b) sleeping accommodation for more than 10 persons in one or more dormitories, or
(c) boarding, lodging or rooming accommodation for more than 10 persons.
Good point.Probably not based on the scope of 9.6. There does not appear to be specific requirements for single dwelling unit building in the Ontario Fire Code.
This is the scope of 9.6:
9.6.1.1. (1) This Section applies to buildings higher than 6 storeys in building height with residential occupancies and containing
(a) more than two dwelling units,
(b) sleeping accommodation for more than 10 persons in one or more dormitories, or
(c) boarding, lodging or rooming accommodation for more than 10 persons.
There is OBC 9.10.20.3 Fire Department Access to Buildings. It deals primarily with the design of the access but mentions consideration for hydrants under clause (2) where access to a building as required in sentence (1) is provided by means of a roadway or yard, the design and location of such roadway or yard shall take into account connection with public thoroughfares, weight of firefighting equipment, width of roadway, radius of curves, overhead clearance, location of fire hydrants, location of fire department connections and vehicular parking.
Also, from my understanding the 45m distance is based on the max length of a fire hose - so makes sense that the max distance would be 90m when a pumper truck is used.