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Gate locations in A-5

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IBC 2012 Section 1008.2.1 and 1027.5 address omission of panic on gates surrounding stadiums where the gates are under constant and immediate supervision etc. But you have to have a safe dispersal area based on a sq feet size per occupant and the dispersal area has to be 50-ft from an enclosed space. Enclosed space being buildings. So if the gates are near the ticket building that is also the concession stand do the gates have to be 50-ft from the building?

Now I am headed out to the boon docks for the weekend. You all have a nice weekend.
 
Examiner said:
IBC 2012 Section 1008.2.1 and 1027.5 address omission of panic on gates surrounding stadiums where the gates are under constant and immediate supervision etc. But you have to have a safe dispersal area based on a sq feet size per occupant and the dispersal area has to be 50-ft from an enclosed space. Enclosed space being buildings. So if the gates are near the ticket building that is also the concession stand do the gates have to be 50-ft from the building? Now I am headed out to the boon docks for the weekend. You all have a nice weekend.
My answer is no ............
 
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Panic hardware is impractical for large gates that surround stadiums. Normally, these gates are opened and closed by the stadium's ground crew that is constantly in attendance during the use of such gates. The safe dispersal area requirement provides for the safety of the crowd if for some reason the gate is not open. The safe dispersal area is to be between the stadium enclosure and the surrounding fence and the area to be occupied is not to be closer than 50 feet (15 240 mm) to the stadium enclosure.
 
Must be a good size area/ stadium that you are working on, so should not be a problem
 
Trying to not have panics on the gates because the gates will be attended. The problem is trying to understand if the gates can be closer than 50-feet to the outer buildings. Outer buildings are the ticket/concession building and restrooms on home and visitor sides. Travel distances to restrooms have to be under 500-ft per IPC from the farthermost point on the bleachers. High School football outdoor stadium bleachers are located away from the outer buildings. Since we have to be 50-ft from any of the enclosed buildings and I am assuming from the bleachers, I am trying to figure the ground area needed for the safe area and where the gate exits are needed.
 
""""The safe dispersal area requirement provides for the safety of the crowd if for some reason the gate is not open.""""

I do not think you need to worry about the buildings, if you can get people in an area, such as the football field, in case the gates are not open or will not open for a reason.

If the buildings are not on fire there is no problem being near the buildings.

Just look are how the enclosure is set up, and how people are herded in and out. Than on the plans you could outline where the people can safely stand.
 
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cda,

I think that Section 1027.5 requires access to the public way......Directing the herd

onto the game field would, "by the Letter of The Code", ...not be compliant.



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north star said:
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I think that Section 1027.5 requires access to the public way......Directing the herd

onto the game field would, "by the Letter of The Code", ...not be compliant.



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If the gates are locked, they cannot get to a public way
 
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cda ( and others ),

Just out of curiosity, but how would Section 1027.5, Exception # 3 "permanently

maintained and identified as a safe dispersal area" be accomplished on an active

sporting field ?

Thanks !



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I would think that in an emergency the game would stop. The field has 4 double paired gates for egress at opposite corners. The field could be one area of safe refuge but there is area outside the fenced-in ball field. The area outside of the ball field is also fenced-in with gates to the public way. That area would have the bleachers and outer buildings with lots of ground between the structures.
 
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Fortunately, I have never had to define or execute exactly what a

"permanently identified area" looks like.

Just wondering what that animal looks like in actuality...

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north star said:
= * = * =cda ( and others ),

Just out of curiosity, but how would Section 1027.5, Exception # 3 "permanently

maintained and identified as a safe dispersal area" be accomplished on an active

sporting field ?

Thanks !



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Well hopefully the football turf is maintained ?

A sign saying dispersal area??
 
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