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High School Career Training attached to Auto Repair Facility

Norman A Hoyt

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I am in a huge predicament. I added on to my 11000 sq ft Automotive Repair Facility a piece that is on the upper level (the main building is set into a hill so the upper level is ground level on one side) and consists of a 6 bay shop of 1848 sq ft and a classroom of 395 sq ft.
I trusted the builder to do the right permitting and get it through the State and he trusted the architect he uses to do that. The architect (a couple of months later than he should have) turned it in to state as a training facility accessory to the Auto Repair business. The Building Commissioner disagrees and says it is a separate use educational facility. Here are the specifics: I am a High School Career Center teacher, I have 15 students for 2.5 hours in the morning and 15 for 2.5 hours in the afternoon. Half of the time we spend in the classroom and the other half we spend in the shop. The area we are in is on the same level as a mezzanine that is part of the shop but it is a second level as compared to the main area of the shop. The classroom is definitely under the 10% rule but the shop area is over the 10% accessory use, however, we do work on vehicles for the repair facility so the shop could be considered a part of the repair facility.
According to the architect if it is separate use educational it will need to have 2 bathrooms (not enough room for these) and a 2 hour barrier from the main business (quite the challenge to do now) and will also have to be wheel chair accessible everywhere (currently the classroom is 2 steps up from the 6 bays).
Your insights are appreciated...have the commissioner, the fire marshal and who knows who coming Monday morning at 10AM...the entire program is at stake and it is the most important thing I have done in my life. The need for career training at this level and in the actual business environment is at an all time high and we are proving that it works and is a huge value to schools, parents, kids, and the automotive repair community.
 
Welcome

Monday may be a little quick for replies.

Plus sometimes a floor plan helps.


Is the new area already in use???

If so how long??

Were inspections done along the way?? And did they ever give you a final inspection???
 
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So are you a private business first?? Auto repair

and

You added a training room??


How do you find the students?

Are you in partnership with a school district??

What age are the students.
 
Welcome

Monday may be a little quick for replies.

Plus sometimes a floor plan helps.


Is the new area already in use???

If so how long??

Were inspections done along the way?? And did they ever give you a final inspection???

The answers are: Yes, already in use since the start of school so about 8 weeks. Not sure if the builder had any inspections at all...as far as I know none were done and I called the Building Commissioner to check it out so we could cover up the walls to get school started. His response was that we had submitted the wrong use to State and that the conversation was over. That left me with the option of cancelling the entire school program or launching and waiting for his visit...we are now at that visit.
 
First, kudos to you for providing the training to the kids. I think schools should bring back shop classes.

Are there other restroom accessible on the upper floor? If not, the aor was derelict in not providing two. I’m in construction, not inspections, so i look at it a little differently from most folks here ... architect was stupid for not designing in the common sense and required features before the concrete trucks rolled up. And designing 3 steps in the facility ... also stupid. Hope he has E&O insurance.

Not much you can do by Monday. Since this is part of a public high school (thats the way I interpret it) maybe the commissioner will let you continue to operate with a promise to correct within Xx months.
 
There are a lot of questions to ask

maybe answers to these first:::


So are you a private business first?? Auto repair

and

You added a training room??


How do you find the students?

Are you in partnership with a school district??

What age are the student
 
Hope the architect has good E & O!
A quick fix if you have room available is to bring a temp portable with a unisex RR until you can work this out.
We had a similar issue in CA with an adult school that decided to add high school students.
This after they had obtained a permit from the City. As a High school they were required to go though DSA for approval.
Revisions were required.
Yours is also a school district issue as they may have provided project scope to the architect, though he should have asked more questions.
Why would the district have hired and paid a contractor without proof of permits?
 
Hope the architect has good E & O!
A quick fix if you have room available is to bring a temp portable with a unisex RR until you can work this out.
We had a similar issue in CA with an adult school that decided to add high school students.
This after they had obtained a permit from the City. As a High school they were required to go though DSA for approval.
Revisions were required.
Yours is also a school district issue as they may have provided project scope to the architect, though he should have asked more questions.
Why would the district have hired and paid a contractor without proof of permits?


This sounds like a private business

providing training

Don’t know won’t answer the questions
 
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