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How would you encourage a church to install sprinklers?

Darren Emery

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Given an existing type VB building of about 22k squarefeet - Church and associated classroom space. No sprinkler system. County does not adopt, or enforce, any building code at this time.

This particular church is busting at the seams, and about to add another 18k for a much larger worship center and further associated office/classroom/storage space.

The leadership of the church is studying the pros and cons, and is seriously considering a sprinkler system for the new construction areas - but this is a big bite in the budget, and some are not sure of the benefit of sprinklers. I have been asked to provide reasons for why a system should be installed.

How would you answer this question - aside from "the code requires it?"
 
1. you can throw the insurance break, if there is one

2. cost of replacing the building and time out of the building, versus one or two heads, and one room damaged.

3. If you are the ahj, maybe look at spreading the installation out over a year or so, start with the new addition and retro the old later.

4. show them pictures of burning chruches????

5. even thought there are no adopted building codes, maybe some trade offs if they do sprinkle??

6. maybe check the response time of the fire department and show that by the time someone calls and add in the response time, the fire would have progressed

7. Not sure what size/type fire department would respond, but that can also be a factor

8. have the fire chief go with you and he can explain fire to them??
 
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The savings on their insurance rates would probably pay for

the sprinkler system install in a short time, ...or you could

remind them about being good stewards of the resources

that the Lord has entrusted to them [ RE: "the parable of

the talents" - Matthew 25 & 1 Corinthians 4:2 ]

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I strongly suspect that state law requires an architect and/or engineer for that sort of project.

So that is who they should be having this discussion with, not an unlicensed person.

Personally, if there is no building code, then I would have no problem using NFPA 101 for guidance - 1000 occupant load provided seating is fixed and more or less at grade before sprinklers are required because the provisions are based upon on the ground experiences of firefighters and actual fires.
 
brudgers said:
I strongly suspect that state law requires an architect and/or engineer for that sort of project.
I too, strongly suspect there may even be a state law for a minimum code...not that ours is actually enforced outside of ETJs, but new construction is still required to meet those minimum codes/standards...in addition, and as brudgers, aka the sawhorse, pointed out, NFPA 101 may be enforced independently by your state's Fire Marshall Office. As a building official, I would also request a meeting with the RDP to voice your concerns.
 
Thanks all for the responses. Appreciate the links MT! BTW - 2006 IBC adopted only by reference through the state fire marshall's office - not in statute form. Nothihing enforced at plan review or construction by the AHJ. Architect is using 2009 IBC as governing document for design purposes.
 
U.S. Fire Administration

http://www.usfa.fema.gov/downloads/pdf/tfrs/v2i7-508.pdf

TOPICAL FIRE RESEARCH SERIES

Volume 2, Issue 7 August 2001 (Rev. March 2002)

Church Fires

FINDINGS

An average of 1,300 church fires are reported each year, causing $38 million in property loss.

The leading cause of church fires is arson (25%).

30% of church fires are the result of mechanical failures. Faulty wiring and improperly functioning heating systems are often at fault, perhaps because they are in older structures and have not been brought up to local fire codes.

Of churches that reported fires, 65% had no smoke alarms and 96% had no sprinkler system.

Sources: NFPA and NFIRS

Each year from 1996 to 1998, an average of 1,300 churches reported a fire. These fires were responsible for an estimated $38 million in property loss, less than 5 civilian deaths, and nearly 25 injuries annually.1

In 1996, a wave of church arsons received attention at the federal level, and the National Church Arson Task Force was formed by President Clinton. The Task Force made the investigation of these fires a top priority of federal law enforcement. This topical report examines some of the causes and characteristics of church fires.2

Church fires cause more property damage than other non-residential structure fires, as illustrated in Figure 1.

Figure 1. Loss Measures for Church Fires (3-year average, NFIRS data 1996–98)

NON-RESIDENTIAL MEASURE STRUCTURE FIRES CHURCH FIRES

Dollar Loss/Fire $21,878 $36,564

Injuries/1,000

Fires 22.1 15.7

Fatalities/1,000

Fires 1.7 0.6

Source: NFIRS only

CAUSE

One-quarter of all fires occurring in churches are reported as incendiary or suspicious fires (arson) (Figure 2). Often, the arsonist is never caught. Motives for arson vary. The National Church Arson Task Force reports that some arsons are hate crimes.3 Other motives are not discovered until the prosecution of an arrested arsonist.

Figure 2. Leading Causes of Church Fires (3-year average, NFIRS data 1996–98) 0 5 10 15 20 25 30 Incendiary/Suspicious Electrical Distribution Open Flame Heating Adjusted Percent Source: NFIRS only

None of the reported church arson fires were set during a civil disturbance. In 55% of arson fires, a legal decision or physical evidence proved the fire was deliberately set. In the remaining 45% of church arson fires, the circumstances of the fire strongly indicated that it was deliberately set (i.e., other accidental factors were carefully ruled out), but no legal decision was reached.

Electrical distribution fires are the second leading cause of church fires at 18%. These occurrence are often in older church structures where electrical wiring may be fragile. Open flame and heating fires follow as other causes of church fires at 12% each.

DYNAMICS IN THE IGNITION OF CHURCH FIRES

Of those non-arson-related church fires, nearly 40% involve a mechanical failure/ malfunction. Sixty-five percent of mechanical failures are the result of electrical equipment short circuits or other electrical failures. Another 15% of mechanical failures result from some sort of part failure (a break, leak, or general failure). Mechanical failures and malfunctions are high in churches, perhaps due to older equipment and older, outdated electrical wiring that may not be up to current fire codes.

Where specific equipment was ignited in a church fire, fixed wiring, lighting fixtures, and central heating units were involved in equal proportions at 12% each. This explains the high incidence of faulty, possibly old, electrical wiring and improperly functioning heating equipment. This finding indicates the need for routine inspection and maintenance, especially in bringing these systems up to current fire codes. Stoves account for an additional 9% of equipment involved in church fires.

AREA OF FIRE ORIGIN

The largest percentage of church fires (18%) originates in structural areas of the church (exterior walls and ceiling/roof assemblies) (Figure 3). One-quarter of these fires are the result of electrical distribution; another 17% are reported as arson.

Figure 3. Leading Areas of Fire Origin in Church Fires

AREA PERCENT

Large Assembly Area

Kitchen

Exterior Wall

Ceiling/Roof

Heating Equipment Room

Small Assembly Area

Source: NFIRS only

Seventeen percent begin in worship, meeting, or classroom areas, one-third of which are arson related. Ten percent start in the kitchen (stoves were a leading equipment involved in church fires).

SMOKE ALARM/DETECTOR PERFORMANCE

Smoke alarms were not present in 65% of church fires. These are vital in preventing significant property loss and casualties.

In 96% of church fires, no sprinkler system was installed. The high dollar loss resulting from these fires could probably be reduced substantially if sprinklers were installed in churches.

EXAMPLES

On June 18, 2001, a church fire gutted the century-old Cornerstone Christian Church in St. Francois County, Missouri. Authorities do not believe arson was suspected in this four-alarm fire, where two firefighters suffered minor injuries.4

A church fire was officially ruled as arson, yet not specifically a hate crime. The fire broke out on Sunday, May 20, 2001, severely damaging Hellenic Orthodox Church of the Annunciation in Buffalo, New York, causing an estimated $1.5 million damage. People were inside the church when the fire was discovered; no one was injured.5

The former pastor of a church in Steelville, Missouri, has been accused of setting a fire that gutted the church in January 2001. His motive was to hide the theft of money from Sunday collections.6

A self-described ”missionary of Lucifer” is serving prison time for 26 church fires around the country. He pleaded guilty in five Georgia blazes set in 1998 and 1999, including one that killed a 27-year old firefighter. He is serving a 42-1/2-year sentence for a string of church fires in eight states and was ordered to pay $3.6 mil-lion in restitution.7

For additional information on church fires, contact your local fire department or the USFA.

NOTES:

1. National estimates are based on National Fire Incident Reporting System (NFIRS) data 1996–1998) and the National Fire Protection Association’s (NFPA) annual survey, Fire Loss in the United States.

2. Fourth Year Report for the President, National Church Arson Task Force, September 2000.

3. Ibid.

4. “Officials Dismiss Arson as Cause of Church Fire,” St. Louis Post Dispatch, June 20, 2001.

5. “Church Fire Ruled Arson,” The Buffalo News, May 23, 2001.

6. “Ex-Pastor Charged With Arson,” The Atlanta Constitution, February 21, 2001.

7. “’Missionary of Lucifer’ Sentenced in Arson,” Athens Newspaper, November 14, 2000.

CLICK TO REVIEW THE DETAILED METHODOLOOGY USED IN THIS ANALYSIS

CLICK TO SEE ALL THE REPORTS IN THIS TOPICAL FIRE RESEARCH SERIES
 
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In addition to the previously posted 2002 USFA Report on Church Fire Statistics, consider significant school and church fires from NFPA statistics:

1908-March 4, 1908 Lakeview Grammar School fire kills 175, Collinwood (OH)

1915-October 28, 1915 St. John’s Parochial School fire kills 22, Peabody (MA)

1923-May 17, 1923 Cleveland School fire kills 77, Beulah (SC)

1924-December 24, 1924 Babbs Switch School fire kills 36, Hobart (OK)

1954-March 31, 1954 Cleveland Hill School fire kills 15, Cheektowaga (NY)

1958-December 1, 1958 Our Lady of the Angels school fire kills 95, Chicago (IL)

1964-May 23, 1964 All Hallows Church Parish Hall fire kills 17, San Francisco (CA)

1983-May 9, 1983 Catholic church fire kills 21, Santa Cruz Tlapacoya, Mexico

As an alternative to an emotionally-based risk-averse approach, a Fire Protection Engineer could assist in developing a performance-based analysis of the specific building conditions, means of egress, and other safeguards present so that the church may make a more informed decision.
 
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Every decision requires someone to learn the pro's as well as the con's.

Mr. Handler....Great information, thank you.

When you look at the cost, I can understand why most people in the church would say no. They think what else could we do with $100K (or more like $200K) and we are only there a few hours a week. It sounds like quite a few church fires happpen when the building isn't occupied. If the idea of sprinklers are first ment to save lives, then property, would a fire/security alarm instead of the sprinklers make sense? Churches burn to the ground because no one is there to make an early report.

Just food for thought.
 
You could google Somers CT church fire....next town over just lost their whole chapel.....on the upside, firewall between that and the adjacent hall worked perfectly...
 
AegisFPE said:
In addition to the previously posted 2002 USFA Report on Church Fire Statistics, consider significant school and church fires from NFPA statistics: 1908-March 4, 1908 Lakeview Grammar School fire kills 175, Collinwood (OH) 1915-October 28, 1915 St. John’s Parochial School fire kills 22, Peabody (MA) 1923-May 17, 1923 Cleveland School fire kills 77, Beulah (SC) 1924-December 24, 1924 Babbs Switch School fire kills 36, Hobart (OK) 1954-March 31, 1954 Cleveland Hill School fire kills 15, Cheektowaga (NY) 1958-December 1, 1958 Our Lady of the Angels school fire kills 95, Chicago (IL) 1964-May 23, 1964 All Hallows Church Parish Hall fire kills 17, San Francisco (CA) 1983-May 9, 1983 Catholic church fire kills 21, Santa Cruz Tlapacoya, Mexico As an alternative to an emotionally-based risk-averse approach, a Fire Protection Engineer could assist in developing a performance-based analysis of the specific building conditions, means of egress, and other safeguards present so that the church may make a more informed decision.
Note that the list indicates that it has been almost 50 years since a US church fire caused significant loss of life. It's the sort of thing the folks at IBC ignore when inventing rules.
 
brudgers said:
Note that the list indicates that it has been almost 50 years since a US church fire caused significant loss of life. It's the sort of thing the folks at IBC ignore when inventing rules.
If it were your family member any death is a "significant loss of life".
 
I would suggest reading Romans 13:1-13:5 in the NIV

1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

JMHO
 
righter101 said:
I would suggest reading Romans 13:1-13:5 in the NIV1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

JMHO
Darren Emery said:
County does not adopt, or enforce, any building code at this time.
I would suggest reading the OP, what authorities?
 
'Life Safety' is one, albeit large, component of Codes and Code Enforcement. Another one, almost equally large, is protection of property.

NFPA 101 is a good document, a very good document. It's sole focus however, is 'life safety'. To take it as a stand alone document, a 'be all and end all' of everything that matters is a mistake. NFPA has many, many good documents. Together they work to accomplish many of the same things the Codes do.
 
You have been given some excellent advice so far. What we chose to do besides using 101 for new with multi-purpose buildings and existing was to sit down with the building committees during a saturday morning meeting and show a few videos of church fires. After the videos we explained all the issues from a fire suppression standpoint and the substantial lack in resources for offensive attacks in the majority of churches without early warning or suppression. The most significant common thread is large open areas where a fire can burn undetected for a long period of time before discovery. In those existing facilities at or below 300 OL we were able to get fully detected buildings throughout and beam detection in the large open sanctuaries and fellowship halls. Once the committee and congregation realize the importance their church building has and is within their community they realize that adding a few more thousand into their building fund or loan is a win for them and their community. It worked for us but then again we sell fire prevention pretty well and use the book as needed.

Best wishes because working with churches can be tough especially if your a member and have to wear both hats during meetings :(
 
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