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Kalwall Translucent Roof Panels vs. IBC 2609

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Does anyone see why a designer could not use a fiberglass skylight such as Kalwall for the following scenario?

Conditions:

1,000 S.F. building

Type IIB/Nonsprinkled

Occupancy: A3 (Amtrak waiting room)

Four exits

Kalwall panels are more than 15' above finish floor

Thanks

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Registered Architect
 
Correction, you stated the building was Type IIB, so the roof does not have a fire-resistance rating per Table 601, therefore it is okay. You'll need to check the other sections for maximum area and panel separation.
 
Would it be for the entire roof, or would they actually be used as skylights? If skylights, they are subject to 2610, not 2609.
 
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texasbo, it may or may not be a skylight, but you're correct if it is. Kalwall can be used both ways, and many people may call the integration of a Kalwall-type system in a roof assembly as a "skylight" when it technically is a "roof." So, if the requirements do not conform to 2610, then it is likely a roof, and thus 2609 would be applicable.
 
RLGA said:
texasbo, it may or may not be a skylight, but you're correct if it is. Kalwall can be used both ways, and many people may call the integration of a Kalwall-type system in a roof assembly as a "skylight" when it technically is a "roof." So, if the requirements do not conform to 2610, then it is likely a roof, and thus 2609 would be applicable.
Ya, but in this building, I don't know how you're going to get around the 4' panel separation requirement. That's the only problem I really see with their use as a full roof. Surely they have an ICC Evaluation Report, no?
 
Light-transmitting plastic roofs are limited to 30% of the floor area for Class CC1 and 25% for Class CC2. Therefore, they can't cover the entire roof with the panels; thus, there should be plenty of room to provide the separation (unless they decide to sprinkler the building and then the separation requirement goes away).

Kalwall has a report posted on the ICC-ES website, but it is based on the 1997 UBC.
 
After posting yesterday, I received a call from Bruce Keller, VP for Kalwall. We had an enlightening discussion, especially in regard to ICC-ES. Apparently, it has taken several years--and it's still ongoing--to work with ICC-ES to get a new report. It is to the point they're thinking of dropping them and going with a third party. He followed up our conversation with an email, which included the following:

"Thanks for listening…I hope this will help set the record straight….we do manufacture a very broad list of options, all called Kalwall, but with huge performance differences related to everything from fire performance (we even have a panel FM Global approved in fully noncombustible construction) to structural to thermal and solar optical properties.

"I personally have been involved in the development of the Light Transmitting Chapter, beginning with the rudiments of the chapter as an exception to the UBC, SSC and BOCA we developed at the then very active Society of the Plastics Industry (1963 onward). The current LT Code section is virtually unchanged, because the chapter has provided for the safe use of “combustible” materials when used as directed for decades…there is an important exception in the Scope for advanced products like Kalwall that allows the further use in certain cases where the material is engineered to pass the requirements for “conventional” materials. So, in many projects,when Kalwall with a UL listing as a Class A Built-up Roof assembly is provided, Kalwall is permitted to cover greater areas of that roof.

"As for the recent (5 years now) experience with the ICC-ES, we are still strugging to get their care and attention. If you know any of the powers in charge….we could use some help in moving the current ES application along!"
 
Are you saying that ICC-ES is unweildy, cumbersome, and non-customer oriented? Now THERE'S a surprise...
 
RLGA...great post! I was just going to post in regards to that exception as that is what I have used in the past, albeit rare circumstances, when skylights/Kalwall is used without sprinklering the building.

Texasbo...I too share your amazement at the ES process.
 
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